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      A Former User @RandomUser
      last edited by A Former User 18 Feb 2020, 15:06

      @RandomUser You can use the UTTT to disable the backgroundsuspending. While Axolotl is open in the background, you will receive notifications.

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        kalle.kruse @RandomUser
        last edited by 18 Feb 2020, 20:16

        @RandomUser https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop

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          Mic_
          last edited by Mic_ 22 Feb 2020, 12:21

          Here is an interesting article about how in Signal is beeing invested: https://www.wired.com/story/signal-encrypted-messaging-features-mainstream/

          In german

          Is there any possibility to connect Signal and Telegram somehow? Or what has to be done that that can be achieved? Does somebody know?

          Telegram has something about 200 Millionen users worldwide - is after WA with more than 1 billion No 2. Together with Signal both could be really an alternative!

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            flohack @Mic_
            last edited by 22 Feb 2020, 13:55

            @Mic_ I dont think this would ever happen, since they are fundamentially different systems, and Signal would probably refuse to weaken their security to allow interaction.

            For example, in Telegram there are no encrypted groups at all whereas they are encrypted on the Signal side. How you gonna deal with formiung groups between Signal and Telegram users? Also, those systems are base don a central service, you cannot just forward messages between both backends without further troubles.

            People have to make a choice, and there will never the only perfect messenger for all people on this planet. And I think thats OK.

            My languages: πŸ‡¦πŸ‡Ή πŸ‡©πŸ‡ͺ πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ

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              stan
              last edited by 22 Feb 2020, 14:04

              i read a rumor that whats app might start in app ads.
              if this happens i think more people will switch to signal and Telegram .

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                Mic_
                last edited by 23 Feb 2020, 10:32

                Ok, understand. A little bit disappointing.

                "Signal would probably refuse to weaken their security to allow interaction"

                Yes that would be my next idea. If Signal 'allows' having contacts without encryption - would than a connection between 2 persons from telegram to signal imaginable?

                I mean it could also be that this hardcore encryption will not all the time be allowed...?

                And of course I agree that everybody should choose them freely - but actually one actor you can only install until you agree that he reads out your contacts and what you do on the phone - here we are not on a normal market I would argue. Not normal markets normally results in not normal regulations - we are only missing until now.

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                  flohack @Mic_
                  last edited by flohack 23 Feb 2020, 20:40

                  @Mic_ besides the encryption issue you also need to federate both services together. There is for example the problem, what if a person has both Telegram AND Signal accounts registered to their phone number? The servers currently would not know how to route this.
                  If a service is not built with federation in mind like XMPP or Matrix its really really next to impossible to get this done properly at a later stage. I remember with horror the things Microsoft did to couple MSN Messenger and Skype accounts. It was never working as expected.
                  Or even Skype for Business and their former Lync application: Messages got stuck, people were always offline etc. And that was inside the same company πŸ˜‰

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                    Mic_
                    last edited by 26 Feb 2020, 12:40

                    Ok, thx for the explanation! I really didn't know how complex that is. And if MSN and Skype did not work ... I understand.

                    So if somebody wants to go the regulative way, it must be defined a protocoll or something which all messengers have to be able to handle (at least additionaly).

                    And probably that would never happen.

                    Would it be imaginable that Telegram or Signal have to add e.g. XMPP?

                    Ok I really have no idea what Telegram is doing different - but a protocoll just means nohing else than a predefined order of info inside a file - which should be at least possible.

                    I am also not sure if a connection between messengers will not bring more problems than it solves - but the market position of WA would be broken during a short time.

                    However, thx for the input.

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                      PhoenixLandPirat
                      last edited by 26 Feb 2020, 14:41

                      Here's some more context for signal with integration with other messengers.

                      https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom

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                        Mic_
                        last edited by 1 Mar 2020, 15:22

                        EU 'recommends' Signal to EU-staff and proofs WA
                        in german

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                          Pulsar33
                          last edited by 11 Jan 2021, 19:50

                          Hello,
                          Time for Signal is coming, due to WhatsApp agreement ultimatum !
                          BR
                          Pulsar33

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                            Diagon
                            last edited by Lakotaubp 1 Nov 2021, 20:20 11 Jan 2021, 20:12

                            I'm getting flagged as spam. I'm not sure how to post this ... I'll try it piecemeal.

                            I just happen to have put together a list of links on Telegram. I suggest we stay far away from their "roll your own" crypto. That's the first thing you'll learn in a crypto class.

                            Moxie (Signal protocol) and Matt Green (John's Hopkins/zcash) are crypto experts. The Grugg is a well known infosec researcher, but I don't know his background as well. Durov is owner of Telegram

                            Moxie's comment to Telegram/Durov:

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                              Diagon
                              last edited by Lakotaubp 1 Nov 2021, 20:20 11 Jan 2021, 20:17

                              continuing ...

                              Telegram crypto defeated (2013)

                              Moxie's comment on their new crypo

                              The Grug

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                                Lakotaubp @Diagon
                                last edited by 11 Jan 2021, 20:18

                                @diagon This is a really old thread and not totally sure why you posted the links here so removed them.

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                                  Diagon @Lakotaubp
                                  last edited by Diagon 1 Nov 2021, 20:20 11 Jan 2021, 20:20

                                  @lakotaubp - because I have researched the history of Telegram, of which this thread is about; and Telegram vs. Signal is still a relevant issue.

                                  Could you please let me post these?

                                  Please stop deleting these links.

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                                    Lakotaubp @Diagon
                                    last edited by 11 Jan 2021, 20:26

                                    @diagon It might be a discussion for Off Topic but not in a really old thread about the merits or not of Signal or Telegram in general. If you want to start a discussion on those issues then feel free to do so in OT as no doubt similar issues affect more than these platforms. Also be Careful with links to off forum sites

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