Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?

arubislander

@danfro said in Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?:

But if they would be sold with UT preinstalled, we would need to provide professional customer care. We can't do that because we don't have the manpower.

I don't thinkwe would be expected to do the customer care, that would be on FairPhone. What we would need to do is get the quality of the port up to their standards. That is what is keeping us back at the moment.

Keneda

@danfro said in Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?:

But if they would be sold with UT preinstalled, we would need to provide professional customer care

Do you provide professional customer care for volla devices ?

danfro

@Keneda said in Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?:

Do you provide professional customer care for volla devices ?

Volla does support us by paying devs and team to provide support. They also develop on their own.

Lakotaubp

@arubislander is correct FairPhone require a certain standard in some key areas to sell devices pre installed but that is getting OT for here.

danfro

@arubislander said in Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?:

I don't thinkwe would be expected to do the customer care, that would be on FairPhone.

You are wrong here. I talked to Fairphone people in Riga. They would expect us to do support since they can't do it. They do hardware, not software. Understandable. The quality of the OS is also a thing. And not sure if there are other reasons I am not aware of.

domubpkm

@danfro Personally, I am very satisfied with Focal on the Volla 1st generation. This is very good work done by the UBports and Volla teams. The only thing that annoys me is the reloading of pages when you open for example morph and a web-app at the same time and when you switch from morph to the web-app. The web-app reloads. Same problems when you open two web-apps and when you switch from the first to the second. Already known problem with Xenial. Maybe some memory leaks somewhere.

wilfridd

@danfro , my pleasure I also think that Indicator Weather is a must have !
Ah, you're right concerning Activity Tracker... I didn't MR because i'd like to try fix the "Api key reqiured" first... And maybee try to enable other map providers as uNav or Pure Maps do or why not put our efforts together...?
But atm, I'm stuck with Wifiscanner...

danfro

@wilfridd said in Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?:

But atm, I'm stuck with Wifiscanner...

Just saw a messag in main telegram group, the wifiscanner MR has been made. Also got permission to become maintainer of ActivityTracker, so will try to get that out soon to OpenStore. So once I got that up, feel free to help and contribute (like "API key...").

But lets stop talking about app development here (although interesting ). This is getting off topic for this post.

danfro

So to sum up what has been written here so far (what got stuck in my head), the main reasons for not moving to focal are is order of seriousness (and lack of workarounds):

stability of focal and
too many troubles when migrating from xenial to focal. Either taken from own experience with another device or from discussions.
A clean install is the best way to do that, BUT we don't have a good backup solution.
This is followed with devices not supporting focal, sure no workaround for that.
Apps missing is an issue, but that is sorted easiest and also is due to developers not having moved to focal yet with their devices.

[edit, I forgot one big reason:]

people are just happy on xenial, no need to move on

With 24.04 knocking at the door (middle of this year planned currently) this is valuable information. I will pass that on to the core dev team.

Of course this doesn't close this post. Its more a summary for others joining new and for myself :smiling_face_with_halo: .

MrT10001

@danfro Also a lot of people have experience in the past of updates for a certain operating system that vastly reduced their user experience due to instability and developers thinking that their way is the best way. That's why people clung onto them for as long as possible......:winking_face:

Not so much with UT, but you cannot account all the time for the human condition...

danfro

@MrT10001 I guess you are right. Although I personally see the advantages of new releases or updates.

To name some reasons to go for focal (OTA4):

theme switch in system settings
battery percentage indicator in system settings
home screen shows "time to fully charged" time
wallpapers can be deleted
double tap to wake setting
edge barrier sensitivuty in system settings
a newer morph (altjough still considered outdated by websites )

Blog posts hold more news.

MrT10001

@danfro Individuals always want something different out of their device, i.e. it is personal to them.

For me, a phone is a phone, so i want basic functionality of:

a phone, so
Sound is a must
SMS is a must
Mobile internet is a must

Other things that are not so important:
Camera
Maps
GPS
Reading PDF's

And other things would be:
Mobile Banking
and Video Calls

UT covers most of this for me, but it's not quite all and again this will vary for others..

wally

Great question, great responses.
For me, lack of time, lack of technical skill, and fear of loss of functionality / creating a new time-sink project that I can't afford right now kept me using what was working.
But just last weekend I got around to trying out Focal on my backup OP5 (with a half-melted screen) and it's largely going quite smoothly. I flashed without wiping data, and that process was pretty pain free. A little bit of messing around with settings, but all my messages and apps persisted, some apps just needed to be deleted and reinstalled (the appstore option to Install Stable Version didn't work, but delete then install is fine).

I really miss the Scaling of UT Tweak tool. The default 21 is way too big for me. It'd be amazing if/when that app comes along, for scaling and app suspension. Meanwhile, great to see some of those features entering System Settings!

Jitsi video calls are the other big thing that went from working to not working. On my Oneplus 5T 16.04, they work in both Morph and Jitsi Web App. On my broken Oneplus 5, 20.04 it crashes in both. Very similar phones. I presume it's a Focal thing, but can't say for sure. It does manage to get a hint of video out to the other caller before crashing. It's not essential for me, but a pretty nice option to have. Causes me hesitation in switching my working phone over just yet.

@Moem On my Oneplus 5, flashing through the installer without clicking the Wipe Data button didn't result in any lost files. But a GUI backup option would sure be great in any case. Hope your install goes smoothly

@MrT10001 Fantastic list of devices, and very useful comments about functionality. Thanks!

All those developers making apps work in Focal, thank you so, so much. I never stop appreciating how much this community does. Bravo!

Moem

@wally said in Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?:

@Moem On my Oneplus 5, flashing through the installer without clicking the Wipe Data button didn't result in any lost files.

Thanks, I'm aware of that. But it seems that it will also not solve the problems. Because they live somewhere in the user settings and files, I've been told.

In any case, I tried that and the installer got stuck halfway through.

ToxyPoxy

I downgraded from 20.04 to 16.04 because I could not play Futify with the screen turned off because of app suspension. 20.04 missing UT Tweak Tool.

uxes

@ToxyPoxy there is this manual to follow that helped me https://gitlab.com/frenchutouch/futify/-/issues/64

TakoR

@danfro I am most probably going to revert back to Xenial after trialling Focal on my Xperia X just because of the wireless hotspot. I know I don't use the hotspot that much but there are times when I really need it.

I am still having second thoughts, though, because Focal is just so smooth. I can keep Focal on the XX as I have acquired another capable phone with UT and Waydroid and I can just use that for wireless hotspot. The smoothness of Focal is just hard to beat.

arubislander

@TakoR Is there an issue opened about the hotspot issue? Is it device specific? I just tried.it.on my Pixel 3a on Focal and it worked without problems.

ToxyPoxy

@uxes Thank you!

wally

@Moem Darn. Clearly you're way ahead of me on this.
Does that mean that we're all supposed to wipe data in installing Focal? Or is that being recommended specifically as a result of the issues on your device?

When moving from a broken OP5 to an OP5T, I tried to import my SMS history by copying a couple SQL files, I think including history.sqlite, along with the obvious folders like Pictures, Music, and importing contacts. Since then I've been unable to open a message window from the main screen of Messaging, which lists SMS conversations. I can open an SMS conversation through Notifications if somebody sent a new text, or by opening a new SMS, then typing the name of the contact into the "To:" bar.
So I understand not wanting to wipe data.

Sorry to hear of the troubles, and hope you're able to resolve them.