Volla Phone identical to Gigaset GS290?
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@tomcic81 Does the phone receive updates?
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@odo Yes ist does, you can update what you want ... apps, software, secure ... it starts and have the Volla Logo ...
i bet, a "original" VollaPhone has the same "GS290" in SN
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@flohack said in Volla Phone identical to Gigaset GS290?:
We are therefore thinking about how we can identify that this is a real Vollaphone, and to prevent the installer from flashing the image onto a GS290.
I understand Hallo Welt is putting efforts in the VollaPhone, and should at least earn something.
But, and i agree with some other posters here, restricting devices would be so negative for an open-source community...Open-source MUST be liberty : no jail, no forbideness, make_your_choices@your_own_risks...
And : not everyone has 350€ to put in a phone.
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@tomcic81
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@keneda xD i konw, but i will Sell this new phone again ... i only want to know that it is possible to install UT on a GS290 ... i had help, but IF you know the steps itś realy simple ...
The Hardware is the same, there is a little tricky with the software ... a rookie like me CAN NOT see this and will brick that thing
Now i have my Galaxy S9+ with /e/ OS ... next step i will install Ubuntu Touch on it ... and the next step ... i will try to run AnBox on it ... there are som Android-Apps i realy need ...
( Whatsapp / Bankingapp ) ^ -
@tomcic81 Are there any secret steps? Or is it just necessary to install a compatible Vendor-image? Did you use the SP Flash Tool, or did you flash with fastboot?
The reason why I ask:
I have a GX290, and I'm wondering if I can get UT up and running on it. As far as I read, GX290 has different hardware: display, camera and battery differs compared to GS290.
But Gigaset provides the same Open Source Archive for both devices. I couldn't check the files, as the 14GB download did not finish so far.
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@cmuc dont know how much i can say but yes i use the SP Flasher for it ... may be the HELPER, can send intrested people a lil link ...
it will not be fair to the Helper IF i earn the honor for that ^ xD
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Question ? Whatś Fair ?
Gigaset GS290 made in Germany with Android 10 for 169 Euro
VollaPhone GS290 made in Germany with Ubuntu 360 Euro ? so they will make money with the work from your community about 200 BUGS ... for a FREE open source software ???
I would say "pull the stick out of ya asses" and see the dam TRUE ...
i got help to install Ubuntu Touch very easy on my GS290 ... so i give you the LINK to do that :
https://rubencarneiro.github.io/rubencarneiro.io//Volla-phone-Repair/
If some one delete this post or this link, feel free to contact me ... i have the HowTo and the needed programms and roms for it ...
Thank You for your support ^
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@tomcic81 Ok let's keep this under control. No one is saying you can't or should not flash UT onto a GS290 (UT is free and Open Source after all) only that if you go to use the installer and use the Volla install it may well fail.
As for the rest of the issues you raise, not really for this thread. Maybe more fitting for Off Topic. -
@lakotaubp you can eread it in the /e/ Forum in den UB Ports Forum there are many people they don´t think about it ... and say something about "NOT FAIR for Hallo Welt GmbH for theyr work" to install UB on a GS290 ... Hallo Welt GmbH had a reason why they change the Vendor ... because that will be NOT so easy to install UB on a GS290 ... to make Money ... today all is making FOR Money ... that a thing we should be fight against it ... thats a free open source Software not exist to make extra money ... why anybody don´t want to understand that ?
And another FACT Yes the VollaPhone hardware ist absolut identical to the Gigaset GS290
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@tomcic81 Then with your last point, and I have no reason to doubt it, you have answered the the main question for this thread "Volla Phone identical to Gigaset GS290?"
As for the rest as I said before we have the Off Topic section of the Forum for other issues not directly related to UT which the business plans of other entities and companies would fall into. Please feel free to use it. -
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@keneda said in Volla Phone identical to Gigaset GS290?:
And : not everyone has 350€ to put in a phone.
Well, you can buy another device and put UT on it. Why it has to be the GS290?
They have spent time to build VollaOS, an UT and SFOS port. Why do people except often that other people should work for free?
I think it's great (for UBports) that you can a device, which already runs UT - without flashing etc... There are people out there, who don't want to get into that stuff.
And what's actually important for me. I want to have a device which gets supported properly. Most ports never get "finished" or abandoned at some time.
I look for a new device quite some time and for me one of the most important reason for the decision is how well a device will be supported. Therefore, there are at the moment just 2 options. VollaPhone or Xperia II with SFOS.Its just sad, what people are willing to do, just to save some bucks.
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@makeixo said in Volla Phone identical to Gigaset GS290?:
Well, you can buy another device and put UT on it. Why it has to be the GS290?
Because, maybe, it's a quite recent hardware, at a decent price, still available in pristine condition?
@makeixo said in Volla Phone identical to Gigaset GS290?:
Why do people except often that other people should work for free?
Why do you think people want other to work for free?
If someone want to get a recent hardware phone to put uT on it, but he doens't have 360€ to buy a VollaPhone, should he stick to 7 years old hardware like N5 or OPO because it's the only other "cheap" choice he have that don't make people like you unconfortable?
Can't he just buy a GS290, new or used, and donate something to Hallo Welt for the port effort?
I think Hallo should add "donate for uTouch port effort" perk, 10€ would be fair, on indiegogo for that purpose.ubports devs works FOR FREE if you don't donate to them, is that's fair to have them maintaining uTouch, for all devices to profit their work in the end (that's not Hallo that migrate to 20.04 for example), and they don't earn anything?
Let people free to use LIBRE software the way they can/want to use it, no?
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All this is now getting OT for this thread as we have identified that for all sense and purpose they are the same hardware. So feel free to discuss the pros and cons of various business models in a new thread in OT.
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Folks, this thread is going in circles. How about I say this to end it?
I think the original question "Is the Volla Phone identical to the GS290" has been solved. Sorry to the OP for this thread getting so derailed...
To make it clear: Hallo Welt Systems sponsors the UBports Foundation. Money has exchanged hands so that we can continue to make the operating system. Hallo Welt sees this as part of their business interest for reasons that I can really only speculate on (it's one of those things I'm not directly involved in).
Of course I would prefer people purchase our partner's device. It makes it more likely that our partner will work with us in the future. Volla has worked with us, even going so far as to hire developers to work on Ubuntu Touch and train staff to support it. That is no small feat.
When people see that you can purchase a device that might run the same software for much cheaper than the partner's device, of course some will want to do that. Those people are free to try to do that through whatever means they see fit.
I'm not going to say "oh but think of the poor software developers." One or two people trying to save a buck by buying the GS290 and jumping through hoops to flash open source software onto it probably won't break the bank. If someone wants to do that, let them.
I also won't say that you should do it, because we don't test it. If something breaks, neither us nor Hallo Welt will help you fix it. Gigaset probably won't either. You definitely should not contact any of us with bugs you experience on the GS290 without having a Volla Phone to verify, I would find that rather rude. Whether a lack of support is a problem for you is up to you. It's your money and your time.
Please, understand that we don't need people fighting tooth and nail for the virtues of Ubuntu Touch, or that every user should donate to it, or protect it. Of course I think Ubuntu Touch is great, and that every user should donate to it if they can. It's in my best interest if you do. But we wouldn't continue working on it, licensing it under the licenses that we do, if we didn't understand the risks of that too. We're all adults here, and I'm pretty sure we can each figure out how much contribution to Ubuntu Touch is enough for us.
Do what you want with the software, within the bounds of the license. And continue letting us know when you think we've overstepped bounds or handled a situation poorly. It's that kind of feedback that keeps us righted.
To that end, I'll make it clear here: We won't artificially block the UBports Installer from installing software to an unsupported device. Even today, you can try installing the Nexus 5 image of Ubuntu Touch on an Xperia X. You shouldn't because it won't boot (the UBports Installer will probably hit an error before that even happens), but it's an option. That's what the "manually select device' option does. It's how people install the Pixel 3a image to the Pixel 3a XL, even though the two devices identify differently. We keep it there in case we mess up a device's codename mapping, or for people who are really sure they want to install the thing. It's the "yes, I'm really sure" button. And we'll probably keep it there for a long time.
I'm locking this thread now. If you're interested in discussing any of the points I've made here, please make a new one and tag me. I'll try to answer to the best of my ability.
(Edited to remove non-inclusive language)
