Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT
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@fla said in Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT:
where Telegram is hosted
Well in fact Telegram is hosted all over the world.
The founder of Telegram being Russian has nothing to do with the service, the company is based in the UK and/or the UAE IIRC.I don't think there is a risk related with the Ukrainian crisis.
Another solution is welcome but has to be supported by our OS and the hosting is a bit problematic IMHO as it means more expenses on servers and efforts put into something that does not directly benefit the users of Ubuntu Touch.Just my 2 cents
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Telegram is NOT hosted in Russia - servers are located around the globe, financial HQ is in London UK, operational HQ is in Dubai UAE. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)
There are chat groups for UT also already hosted on Matrix (but that do not bridge to the Telegram groups) if one is looking for an existing alternative to Telegram.
I had never even heard of the Mattermost service prior to this post - given that there is no UT client for it at all seems one is putting the cart before the horse as far as this request goes.
Best regards,
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In my opinion, you can disable Telegram entirely. They give support in good and good English. It would definitely be better if the German language was also offered. There are German groups in Telegram, but not in the forum, which is a pity.
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@dpitti - I personally find a lot of use with Telegram, and I think TELEports is a really nice client for it.
Telegram most certainly is the best supported instant messaging service for UT currently, given that FluffyChat for Matrix on UT needs a maintainer, Axolotl for Signal is still climbing a steep development curve (made harder by Signal's often upstream changes), Toxza for Tox is in a very basic stage, and that other services only have webapps or are not supported on UT yet at all.
Of course - whether to use any of these services is up to the end user - but for me it truly is nice to have decent support for Telegram on UT.
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@totalsonic Yes, of course everything that people do in the groups is definitely not bad.
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@dpitti Your whole story is off topic here.
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@moem Sorry, I thought this thread would be good for that. For the sake of peace, please delete my texts from this forum. Thank you very much.
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@dpitti said in Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT:
For the sake of peace, please delete my texts from this forum.
I can't do that, only the moderators can do such things.
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@dpitti said in Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT:
For the sake of peace, please delete my texts from this forum.
There is no good reason for us to do such an extrem thing.
Just try to stay on topic and be kind each other.
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@keneda Sorry that everything got mixed up when translating. No, okay, I also made mistakes, so it can stay that way or I will adapt the texts a bit to the topic.
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Well Mattermost can be accessed with Morph even if it probably isn't as smooth as with Teleports.
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@fla said in Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT:
Well Mattermost can be accessed with Morph
Okay, but that leaves the question of why we would want to.
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Looking into it further - seems also that Mattermost is a paid service once you go beyond wanting basic features and small numbers of participants. No thanks!!
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@moem said in Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT:
why
Stupid suggestion. I'm certainly not ditching Telegram.
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@totalsonic exactly like the whole gitlab stack, it is there business model, core is free (and clearly complete enough for a project like UT), and you may pay for premium features. Mattermost is the communication tool built to integrate with gitlab and the standard for developers allowing launch ci, be warned about new issues and merge request etc without leaving the chat. That's what I use at work for years, also now what we use at CERN and I can tell you it's a nice tool which would require less than 15min to be activated by the ubports sysadmins. But I guess I presented it wrongly and I know it's hard to make people change. At least I tried :face_with_tongue:
I would have liked to have opinions from the core team on that topic though. -
I'm still longing for classical mailing lists with searchable archives (and the forums) for this project, and chats only for interactive non-permanent exchanges, but I'm an old guy and I lost this battle long ago. For me it is a pain to look for old information in the Telegram chat.
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@bocephus No need to be rude.
You can have your point of view. But that's no reason to give names.
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Why the desire to discuss UT on anything other than this easily accessible forum? I will never join Telegram/Signal/etc or anything requiring membership of a secret society. That strikes me as little better than Twitter/Facebook.
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@cliffcoggin
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Interesting debate here. Let me put my through in this discussion. But before who am I.
Hello i'm Romain a french dev which love UT (daily drive it since 1 year now). I'm also the mattermost mvp for version 5.11. And the author of the official plugin gitlab.
So I guess i'm legitime to talk about this subject
I think the main point of telegram vs mattermost is about open-source. Télégram is not open-source, mattermost is. Just like github vs gitlab.
But no, ubports fundation are not hosting it's own gitlab @Fla. We use the global instance gitlab.com which is not linked with a mattermost instance. So the effort to host one is necessary.
As all decisions I take every day, this is a table whith pro/cons:
Pro Cons open-source need to be hosted open api no native app (they have react-native mobile app but react-native don't support ubtouch, they have eletron desktop app but electron don't support ubtouch :crying_face:) self discoverable (channels about dev, QA...) no publicly accessible (need to register in ubports instance) notification possible need dev in MM (not in ubtouch and the man power for our OS is already light) lot of plugins to bridge need lot of configuration no spam bot not more debate to add a captcha 
As you can see, As much I love mattermost, we can't do all this stuff in short/medium time. Maybe in long, very long time
As an advice, this is how I considered moving to mattermost (but unfortunately no time now...):
- buy a starter at 150$/year https://mattermost.com/pricing/
- create all channels in it (general, dev, qa, os...)
- bridge them to telegram (and why not matrix...) https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge
- invite people to come
If after 1 year no one use this instance don't renew it and you have "only" loose 150$.
If you do that, and users use it, I'll dev a native mattermost app for UT (or at least a way to have notification from it :smiling_face_with_halo: )
