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Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT

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      A Former User @Keneda
      last edited by 23 Feb 2022, 23:16

      @keneda Sorry that everything got mixed up when translating. No, okay, I also made mistakes, so it can stay that way or I will adapt the texts a bit to the topic.

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        Fla
        last edited by 24 Feb 2022, 21:20

        Well Mattermost can be accessed with Morph even if it probably isn't as smooth as with Teleports.

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          Moem @Fla
          last edited by 24 Feb 2022, 21:44

          @fla said in Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT:

          Well Mattermost can be accessed with Morph

          Okay, but that leaves the question of why we would want to.

          Is currently using an Op5t
          Also owns an Op1, a BQ E4.5 and an Xperia X, as well as a BQ tablet and a Pinetab2. Please, someone... make it stop.

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            TotalSonic @Moem
            last edited by 24 Feb 2022, 22:06

            Looking into it further - seems also that Mattermost is a paid service once you go beyond wanting basic features and small numbers of participants. No thanks!!

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              Bocephus
              last edited by 24 Feb 2022, 22:14

              @moem said in Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT:

              why

              Stupid suggestion. I'm certainly not ditching Telegram.

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                Fla @TotalSonic
                last edited by Fla 25 Feb 2022, 07:07

                @totalsonic exactly like the whole gitlab stack, it is there business model, core is free (and clearly complete enough for a project like UT), and you may pay for premium features. Mattermost is the communication tool built to integrate with gitlab and the standard for developers allowing launch ci, be warned about new issues and merge request etc without leaving the chat. That's what I use at work for years, also now what we use at CERN and I can tell you it's a nice tool which would require less than 15min to be activated by the ubports sysadmins. But I guess I presented it wrongly and I know it's hard to make people change. At least I tried :face_with_tongue:
                I would have liked to have opinions from the core team on that topic though.

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                  wgarcia
                  last edited by 25 Feb 2022, 09:24

                  I'm still longing for classical mailing lists with searchable archives (and the forums) for this project, and chats only for interactive non-permanent exchanges, but I'm an old guy and I lost this battle long ago. For me it is a pain to look for old information in the Telegram chat.

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                    AppLee @Bocephus
                    last edited by 25 Feb 2022, 09:41

                    @bocephus No need to be rude.
                    You can have your point of view. But that's no reason to give names.
                    People's suggestions are always welcome.

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                      cliffcoggin
                      last edited by 25 Feb 2022, 10:38

                      Why the desire to discuss UT on anything other than this easily accessible forum? I will never join Telegram/Signal/etc or anything requiring membership of a secret society. That strikes me as little better than Twitter/Facebook.

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                        Keneda @cliffcoggin
                        last edited by 25 Feb 2022, 10:51

                        @cliffcoggin
                        Plus on forums, everything stays and can be searched.

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                          manland
                          last edited by 25 Feb 2022, 10:57

                          Interesting debate here. Let me put my through in this discussion. But before who am I.

                          Hello i'm Romain a french dev which love UT (daily drive it since 1 year now). I'm also the mattermost mvp for version 5.11. And the author of the official plugin gitlab.

                          So I guess i'm legitime to talk about this subject 😅

                          I think the main point of telegram vs mattermost is about open-source. Télégram is not open-source, mattermost is. Just like github vs gitlab.

                          But no, ubports fundation are not hosting it's own gitlab @Fla. We use the global instance gitlab.com which is not linked with a mattermost instance. So the effort to host one is necessary.

                          As all decisions I take every day, this is a table whith pro/cons:

                          Pro Cons
                          open-source need to be hosted
                          open api no native app (they have react-native mobile app but react-native don't support ubtouch, they have eletron desktop app but electron don't support ubtouch :crying_face:)
                          self discoverable (channels about dev, QA...) no publicly accessible (need to register in ubports instance)
                          notification possible need dev in MM (not in ubtouch and the man power for our OS is already light)
                          lot of plugins to bridge need lot of configuration
                          no spam bot not more debate to add a captcha 😂

                          As you can see, As much I love mattermost, we can't do all this stuff in short/medium time. Maybe in long, very long time 😓

                          As an advice, this is how I considered moving to mattermost (but unfortunately no time now...):

                          • buy a starter at 150$/year https://mattermost.com/pricing/
                          • create all channels in it (general, dev, qa, os...)
                          • bridge them to telegram (and why not matrix...) https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge
                          • invite people to come

                          If after 1 year no one use this instance don't renew it and you have "only" loose 150$.

                          If you do that, and users use it, I'll dev a native mattermost app for UT (or at least a way to have notification from it :smiling_face_with_halo: )

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                            TotalRando @cliffcoggin
                            last edited by 26 Feb 2022, 06:59

                            @cliffcoggin I like the Forum and it works fine.

                            @wgarcia have you seen groups.io?


                            Nerd with UT on a OnePlus One. OnePlus 6T waiting in the wings for VoLTE.

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                              libremax @Fla
                              last edited by libremax 26 Feb 2022, 09:30

                              @fla Since your sentence about the situation in Russia and its consequences for Telegram is baseless, it would be good to cross it out to avoid spreading fake erroneous [I didn't mean that it was intentional] news on this forum. And then the discussion about Mattermost could take place under healthier conditions.

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                                Lakotaubp @libremax
                                last edited by 26 Feb 2022, 09:55

                                @libremax That has already been countered by both @AppLee and @TotalSonic quite comprehensively with the correct info that Telegram is nothing to do with Russia as a country. There may be others that also think the same thing so just crossing it out won't help and is a form of censorship in itself as it is not so much an attempt to spread fake news but a commonly held error. I feel it is much better to leave as is and let the conversation follow with all it's mistakes, corrections, suggestions and ideas.

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                                  libremax @Lakotaubp
                                  last edited by libremax 26 Feb 2022, 10:07

                                  @lakotaubp Crossing out an erroneous sentence is not the same as deleting it, and it allows the error to be kept for the record and corrected for the reader's sake.
                                  Otherwise, readers who only read the first post or who do not link to the correct answers will continue to be possibly misled which is not a good thing.

                                  Edit: I replaced the word fake with erroneous in my previous post because I never intended to imply that the erroneous nature was intentional.

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                                    libremax @Lakotaubp
                                    last edited by 26 Feb 2022, 10:16

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                                      Fla @cliffcoggin
                                      last edited by 26 Feb 2022, 10:51

                                      @cliffcoggin & others about why not only a forum. Yes obviously for exactly this kind of topic (debate, announcement etc) a forum is perfect. But there are other use cases when you need live chat, debugging together with a user, preparing a release... Just jump in the Dev group or the Axolotl one in telegram and you'll see what I mean. And Mattermost would make all this groups much more discoverable.

                                      That being said, sorry I didn't remember that ubports wasn't hosting their own gitlab, in that case obviously there is a bit more work to be done to put it in place and that's maybe not worth it at the moment (because I think the advantage is also to be self hosted, not to use a sass solution)

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                                        arubislander @Fla
                                        last edited by 26 Feb 2022, 13:46

                                        @fla Self hosting is not really a viable solution for the Foundation. We mustn't forget that self hosting takes up a lot of time in set up and maintenance. Someone in the community could volunteer to do that though.

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                                          wgarcia @TotalRando
                                          last edited by 2 Mar 2022, 11:48

                                          @totalrando Yes, but, what do you mean? This community does not want to use mailing lists, it seems.

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                                            TotalRando @wgarcia
                                            last edited by 3 Mar 2022, 21:18

                                            @wgarcia I was just suggesting it if you liked email groups


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