Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration

CiberSheep

@lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

@moem i need to see the impact on storing such custom parameters and if it is recommended.

Oh, I thought showing the pin was only for the test app to know if that worked.
I don't think is a good idea to have a visible pin code. Or I missed the joke?

lduboeuf

@cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

@lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

@moem i need to see the impact on storing such custom parameters and if it is recommended.

Oh, I thought showing the pin was only for the test app to know if that worked.
I don't think is a good idea to have a visible pin code. Or I missed the joke?

This was intentional, the idea was to provide a "test" screen just to be familiar with it in system settings. But i agree, on other platforms, you don't have a "tester", when you choose "pattern", you are asking to create/modify the the pattern.

Here we are in special case where users still define its pin code with keyboard. And i would like users just to choose between default pin code prompt or the "clock" one. Maybe the "tester" is not needed ? And just let user discover it at login time.

kugiigi

Maybe the option can be added directly in the lock screen. Some kind of a button to switch between modes on the fly. Also, would be great if it also support keyboard input for convergence

lduboeuf

@kugiigi yes that could be an option.
Humm in my previous test keyboard was working, but maybe not in the demo ?

CiberSheep

@kugiigi said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

Maybe the option can be added directly in the lock screen.

I don't think that's a good idea

Also, would be great if it also support keyboard input for convergence

and this is a very good point

CiberSheep

@lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

This was intentional, the idea was to provide a "test" screen just to be familiar with it in system settings. But i agree, on other platforms, you don't have a "tester", when you choose "pattern", you are asking to create/modify the the pattern.

I'm not thinking of other platforms but having the pin code exposed all time. I thought the pin in the test screen was just for testing purpose, not going in system settings

Here we are in special case where users still define its pin code with keyboard. And i would like users just to choose between default pin code prompt or the "clock" one. Maybe the "tester" is not needed ? And just let user discover it at login time.

This is interesting. Maybe what we want to do is detach the pattern from pin (is that possible? You know the code) as a new form of security code (like fingerprints or passphrase). That could make it on its own, simplify the UI but it would need a way to access via mouse or keyboard

lduboeuf

@cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

@lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

This is interesting. Maybe what we want to do is detach the pattern from pin (is that possible? You know the code) as a new form of security code (like fingerprints or passphrase). That could make it on its own, simplify the UI but it would need a way to access via mouse or keyboard

So you mean having a list of items like this:

Swipe (no security)...
4-digit passcode
4-digit passcode clock prompt
Passpharse...

And click on "4-digit passcode clock prompt" ,would bring you to another page, with a way to create a pin code via the clock ?

CiberSheep

@lduboeuf could that work?

lduboeuf

@cibersheep i just need to try it but works need to be done

lduboeuf

@cibersheep i admit, this going to add more work. The simplest would have been just to add a toggle to switch between default prompt to the clock one. If you have any mockups it will help me

CiberSheep

@lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

@cibersheep i admit, this going to add more work. The simplest would have been just to add a toggle to switch between default prompt to the clock one. If you have any mockups it will help me

I prepare some and will send them to you

Ian

Just tried the demo from the OpenStote.

Looks good, works well. Bonus points for giving us a working tester to try it on, nice work.

Quget

Nice concept.

Is the idea to keep the finger on the screen to unlock or just to press the numbers?

My first instinct was to keep my finger on the clock and swipe the code which felt nice for me

Keneda

@quget said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

Is the idea to keep the finger on the screen to unlock or just to press the numbers?

Both. You can test it with the dummy app in the openstore.

CiberSheep

@lduboeuf This is my suggestion for 2 different kind of 4-digit pin

From other security measure to pattern:

first introduce current pin / passphrase (don't look at that PopUp size)
introduce pattern

Once set up, tapping on 4-digit pin clock... you can test it or edit. Tap on edit:

Ask for current pattern, if succesful
Ask for new pattern

CiberSheep

If you decide to do a selection for the 4-digit pin (classic/clock). I would go like this:

Select 4-digt pin:

If no other security is set, set it as currently
If there is other method, ask for current and then the new pin
Once set, ask for input method
Tapping on edit:
- if classic, edit with the PopUp (as currently)
- if clock, edit with new clock view

lduboeuf

@cibersheep Thanks for the mockups :), the solution #1 seems to have less screens needed. So i need to dig for that

EDIT: Well i hesitate :), i need to try both ...

lduboeuf

@cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

@lduboeuf This is my suggestion for 2 different kind of 4-digit pin

From other security measure to pattern:

first introduce current pin / passphrase (don't look at that PopUp size)

introduce pattern

Once set up, tapping on 4-digit pin clock... you can test it or edit. Tap on edit:

Ask for current pattern, if succesful

Ask for new pattern

I've uploaded a quick ( and probably dirty ) prototype for this case, if you want to give a try and feedback. v1.5

CiberSheep

@lduboeuf I have to say something I forgot:

thanks for working in this
very, very clever to have a test app to test before hand

lduboeuf

@cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

@lduboeuf I have to say something I forgot:

thanks for working in this

very, very clever to have a test app to test before hand

Thx, yes, that is easier to test and code

For the current scenario, i think it add some confusion to have a "test" mode and a "define and confirm code" mode ( at least for me ;-)).

[Edit]:
Do you know if i can query login like this ( the popup ) ?. Not sure it is possible. What could be done is :
tap on "pin clock" -> "select" screen -> then when he successfully matched the code, by clicking the "ok" btn in top bar it opens popup ( ask for previous code and pre-filled the new pin like pin code popup just like today ).