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Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT

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      Fla @cliffcoggin
      last edited by 26 Feb 2022, 10:51

      @cliffcoggin & others about why not only a forum. Yes obviously for exactly this kind of topic (debate, announcement etc) a forum is perfect. But there are other use cases when you need live chat, debugging together with a user, preparing a release... Just jump in the Dev group or the Axolotl one in telegram and you'll see what I mean. And Mattermost would make all this groups much more discoverable.

      That being said, sorry I didn't remember that ubports wasn't hosting their own gitlab, in that case obviously there is a bit more work to be done to put it in place and that's maybe not worth it at the moment (because I think the advantage is also to be self hosted, not to use a sass solution)

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        arubislander @Fla
        last edited by 26 Feb 2022, 13:46

        @fla Self hosting is not really a viable solution for the Foundation. We mustn't forget that self hosting takes up a lot of time in set up and maintenance. Someone in the community could volunteer to do that though.

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          wgarcia @TotalRando
          last edited by 2 Mar 2022, 11:48

          @totalrando Yes, but, what do you mean? This community does not want to use mailing lists, it seems.

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            TotalRando @wgarcia
            last edited by 3 Mar 2022, 21:18

            @wgarcia I was just suggesting it if you liked email groups


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              klh @TotalSonic
              last edited by 31 Mar 2022, 12:52

              Is it necroposting after a month?

              seems also that Mattermost is a paid service once you go beyond wanting basic features and small numbers of participants

              Mattermost is FOSS, you don't have to buy hosting from them. Hosting always costs money.

              other than this easily accessible forum

              Mettermost can be public, it's not a secret society

              Plus on forums, everything stays and can be searched.

              Same, but Mattermost is real-time, so I don't understand comparisons to forums - they are not exclusive.

              Mattermost can definitely be more organized than Telegram, but:

              • bridges suck, one party will always get shitty UX
              • you can't expect everyone to move over

              It could be nice for developers, especially with all the (possible) integrations, but I wouldn't expect the 3500 people from the UBports [ENGLISH] TG group to move over - there are people who use TG for stuff other than UT so it's convenient for them 😜

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                PhoenixLandPirat @Fla
                last edited by 31 Mar 2022, 14:30

                @fla Whats wrong with the official Matrix groups, even if matrix gets taken down, you can still interface with the chats using other homeservers, its versatile, and will make "Cut off from the interent" situation harder, not to mention we already have apps for Matrix both Fluffychat, and Cinny is being developed as a click, and hopefully one day we will get NeoChat as well.

                we have a few spaces, and we could make more as time goes on if the community feels need for it.

                They're already up and working, the question about bridging comes up, and I'd love to have some of these chats bridge, but at least the last time it was talked about properly, the legal implications of hosting userdata, and the fact that in some cases a chat can be even minutes behind when bridged, led this to not be an ideal situation, perhaps over time this will be more viable?

                If you want a different chat option to become officially supported, it will also at least need a decent Ubuntu Touch app, so that anyone using ubuntu touch can actually participate, with notifications, and other little nicetys that make the experience, much easier and better than just a webapp.

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                  dubudoregil @Fla
                  last edited by 31 May 2022, 22:18

                  @fla I think you are ignorant. Telegram is based in Dubai. It is not Russian based at all. It has NEVER been Russian based or a Russian company. Telegrams servers are spread all across the world.

                  Nice virtue signal though.

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                    Moem @dubudoregil
                    last edited by 1 Jun 2022, 04:41

                    @dubudoregil You are right about Telegram being based in Dubai, but you could really be nicer about it.

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                    Also owns an Op1, a BQ E4.5 and an Xperia X, as well as a BQ tablet and a Pinetab2. Please, someone... make it stop.

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                      Lakotaubp @dubudoregil
                      last edited by 1 Jun 2022, 05:06

                      @dubudoregil Badly informed might be a better way of putting it, ignorant comes accross as harsh.

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                        dobey @dubudoregil
                        last edited by 1 Jun 2022, 23:35

                        @dubudoregil said in Use Mattermost instead of Telegram to discuss about UT:

                        Telegram is based in Dubai.

                        Actually, it is multinational. And it's founders are indeed a pair of brothers from Russia. Not that having operational headquarters in Dubai, nor legal domicile in the British Virgin Islands, is somehow a particular improvement with regards to anything discussed here, beyond there being better infrastructure and not currently in the middle of a war.

                        The majority of concerns one might have with Telegram anyway, are not solved by moving to pretty much any other service. And there is not enough inertia to move away from it for our needs.

                        Maybe it's time to just lock this thread @Lakotaubp ?

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                          Lakotaubp @dobey
                          last edited by 2 Jun 2022, 05:43

                          @dobey Yes I think with this one all the bases have been covered.

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