PinePhone
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@GizmoChicken said in PinePhone:
If you hope that the PinePhone will, eventually, be an attractive option for the "average Joe" user, please stop with the if you want it, you build it type responses when I and others offer non-demanding suggestions. Otherwise, you'll be restricting interest in the community by orders of magnitude.
I think "if you want it, you build it" is the answer people make when the request seems a bit off topic.
Asking/suggesting a dual boot for android on this forum seems off topic to me.
IMHO if someone needs android so bad they can port it themselves, but not UBPorts community.Asking here : Does someone know if a dual boot on eMMC is planned ?
This (still imho) would have been a better way to do it.We always have to keep in mind that people dedicate a lot of personal time to this project so it's easy to get a bit emotional. The main goal HERE is to port UT on the PinePhone.
Other stuff can be very interesting, can be debated or can be junk, but I think we all agree that the goal is to have Ubuntu Touch running at its best on the PinePhone.To summarize I'm just pointing out that we need to be respectful of the hard work done and think about it when we ask questions. Because it's easy to have a bad understanding of someone's idea/question/remark.
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@GizmoChicken, I see, I came off too direct in my message. It's the German heritage, after all.
I'm not trying to say that you shouldn't make suggestions, but rather I'm responding to that single suggestion, saying it may not work out, and giving reasons for why. It's that position that I'm coming from, and only because Pine64 operates so differently from most organizations.
I keep the "if you want it, you build it" motto because, quite frankly, it's true. Maybe someone will make a dual-boot option, maybe someone will make an Android option... until those images are out, we can't promise anything. Making those promises and not delivering on them would make people upset. Meeting suggestions with silence will make people upset. I see now that responding to those suggestions will make people upset. There's no winning.
It is a position of frustration. Frustration that we know these things would make it more likely for your average Joe to buy the phone, but knowing that we can only promise what the device is right now, not what it could be if only we did something different. So maybe it isn't right for the average Joe, but it's right for us. And we'll keep making it better.
I'd rather tell you why things aren't realistic, even if it deflates your excitement, so you know what you're getting into with your purchase.
Also this is the UBports Forum, there is also the Pine64 forum if you'd like to stay up-to-date on all things PinePhone and discuss your suggestions. You might get a more useful response there: https://forum.pine64.org/
If you'd prefer I not respond, I guess that's okay. Sorry for being a bother.
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@mirroronthewall said in PinePhone:
Is there currently an effort to make LineageOS or Android available on the Pinephone?
Yes, Replicant is working to port Android to the PinePhone. Indeed, @Pine64 stated in this thread that "Down the road I think that Replicant will have a big install base."
So, when @Pine64 recently expressed the possibility that "people say that they want a Linux phone, but in reality are not quite able to let go of their Android for iOS phones.," in response, I suggested that such potential customers (namely, those who "say that they want a Linux phone, but in reality are not quite able to let go of their Android for iOS phones") may be more likely to buy a PinePhone if the PinePhone were able to dual boot between a pure Linux OS and Replicant (Android) from internal storage.
@mirroronthewall said in PinePhone:
I also think this would be a good thing, if I am following this conversation correctly.
Or is this considered to be too much work, not worth the effort right now compared to alternatives?UBports is rightfully focusing on other projects at the moment.
But as has been pointed out elsewhere, Pine64 (the company) has been working with many other members of the Linux phone community, including "PostMarketOS, the KDE Plasma Mobile developers, Manjaro, LuneOS, SailfishOS's community porters, Nemo Mobile... the list goes on and on."
So, perhaps upon realizing that overcoming any reasons that prevent a significant number of potential Linux phone users from buying a PinePhone will ultimately benefit the entire Linux phone community (such reasons including occasional reliance on some key Android apps), other members of the Linux phone community may decide to work out how to dual boot between a pure Linux OS and Replicant (Android) from internal storage on the PinePhone.
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My understanding Is that an OS on the SD Card takes over the EMMC, so should allow easily to have multiple OS on the go (at least, it works on Pinebook Pro, duknow for the legacy one).
And, an extra 2p, a cheap Andro*# phone would not have kill switches or the option just highlighted -
My understanding Is that an OS on the SD Card takes over the EMMC, so should allow easily to have multiple OS on the go (at least, it works on Pinebook Pro, duknow for the legacy one).
Yep, you are absolutely correct that the PinePhone can boot from the SD card.
But SD cards are slower, less reliable, and less convenient than internal eEMMC storage. Also, Average Joe doesn't want to carry around an SD card (which is easily lost or damaged) just to access his Android banking app (and nor do I).
To all who are reading this: I'm not suggesting that this is something that needs to be done tomorrow, next week, next month, or even within the next few months. However, given the glacial pace at which these projects progress, it's worth having these discussions now, in hopes that a dual boot feature will find its way to the PinePhone (or its successor) later this year, or maybe even next year.
But who knows, maybe Anbox will be fully functional on PinePhone by later this year, obviating the need for dual booting to Replicant (Android). But really, I suspect that even the most enthusiastic among us of doubts that will happen.
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It is quite true that handling the apk in a stable manner, whatever the method, will be a big plus for the pinphone as well as any other UT phone. Given the myriad of problems to be solved on all UT phones, I understand very well that this is not a priority. However, whether it's for the pinephone or other devices, updating the browser that is currently 'down' https://github.com/ubports/morph-browser/issues/223 is a far higher priority from my user's point of view : the user must not be restricted in these actions on a website.
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beeing a potential buyer i can only tell pine: I am waiting for the finished product. And i will not buy an android phone.
I am currently using a Jolla - and also have a cheap android to sync my sportswatch (as it needs BLE). My next sportswatch will be recognizable by linux (like amazfit, currently polar).So the phinephone for me is only interesting because of plasma mobile (using kubuntu on private and debian at work) and ubport beeing the possible main os.
If it would be android i would get a cheap alternative like my current motorola.What should be the reason for people not to let go of their android/ios phones? For sure NOT the os itself - but simply the amount of available apps. And for the apps you can probably bring it down to only a few essentials.
I know this discussion from jolla quite well. And there - in my opinion - the main reason apps are missing are a) no option for paid apps in webstore (even if you are opensource fan - good software doesn't develop itself) b) mass. No bank, service provider etc. will develop their app for a small number of people.
But that leaves you only with a few apps you might use not beeing available. The rest probably is already there.So the much better solution will be to get an android emulator working. And not conclude that Android/ios might be more appealing. Its all about apps.
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Random thoughts:
I've been using only UT for the last four years. No turning back for me. I have very good experience with my E5.
I've bought a PinePhone to support the project and to have a possible replacement for my beloved grandpa E5 in a future. -
@CiberSheep very good E5 yet
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@UniSuperBox said in PinePhone:
It is a position of frustration. Frustration that we know these things would make it more likely for your average Joe to buy the phone, but knowing that we can only promise what the device is right now, not what it could be if only we did something different. So maybe it isn't right for the average Joe, but it's right for us. And we'll keep making it better.
This! This! A hundredfold this!
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@PINE64 I have the intention to buy one too but when I look at the system monitor of my Xx with SFOS I think I will wait if there will be a 3gb Version. I think at least 1gb of ram more would be good.
Furthermore, I think the comment about people are not willing to let go their Android/iOS phones is not really fair.
I will buy one for two main reason. First I want to support the project. Second I just want to try out some OSes. But for me its not usable as daily driver. I need e.g. Threema and WhatsApp. All this discussion about android on the pinephone shows, that I am not the only one who needs one or two android apps on his phone. Another issue for me is the camera. The camera doesn't need to have 9 trillion megapixel but 5/2 is nowadays not much. 16/5 or 24/13 with a good sensor and camera app would be fine for me.
At the end I see in the Pinephone more a device for devs and to play around but I really do hope that someday I can use a pinephone as daily driver .
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I definately will buy a pinephone in March. I have been using the Aquaris E5 and N5 for years now as my daily driver. They have never let me down so far. Yes I need "line", "skype" and "whatsapp" on the phone but that is ,sort of, promised for sometime this year. Ubports may be the most important project for Linux.
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I am one of the PinePhone BraveHeart customers and ordered the phone only to have a complete Linux phone.
It will not replace my current Android phone, because among other things the WhatsApp or the Android app support is missing at UBports.
A "PinePhone Pro" with strong hardware and a working Anbox with UBports would definitely become my daily driver. Actually I only need 2-3 Android apps like many others, everything else works fine natively in UBports.
For that I would definitely spend more money like only 150 dollars. -
I'm looking forward many many years from now. I'll be selling my Braveheart edition to Pawn Stars
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Shipping starts tomorrow
PINE64 community update post: https://www.pine64.org/2020/01/15/pinephones-start-shipping-all-you-want-to-know/ -
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@Flohack hm, I thought /e/ was going to be available on the PinePhone. But now that I think about it, I probably imagined it, as I can't remember a place where I could have read it
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Got my email notice ,showing it shipped
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Woooohoooo... me too
