PineTab
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@PINE64 said in PineTab Anyone?:
For the PBP we have considered both key cap stickers and empty keyboards which users could populate according to their need (the controller is open sourced, so you can program it to do whatever you wish). Not completely sure if either is really feasible with Pinetab keyboard ... would have to check.
Regardless, on a fundamental level the problem with both options is user-error and subsequent support nightmare for us. This is in general why we refrain from e.g. selling a PinePhone DIY kit ... we know people want to do DIY stuff, and I fully understand why it would be 'fun' to do this sort of stuff, but we also know that if end-users mess something up during assembly, we'll end up drowning in support tickets. Keyboard sticker sets and really delicate cap-hinges seem like something that will break frequently.
... You are welcome to try to convince me otherwise of course.
There are also these silicone protective covers that come with different key layouts. No glue or assebmbly required as they just lay on top of the keyboard.
But you would probably need a custom made one as it has to fit the keyboard exactly.
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@poVoq Those silicone covers are usually absolutely terrible however.
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@PINE64 said in PineTab Anyone?:
@poVoq Those silicone covers are usually absolutely terrible however.
Yes they are. Stickers are the limit, good quality ones.
As i said, i think an extra cost for good keyboard layout solution for other countries would not be a problem for people like me.Sorry guys and @AppLee if being qualified as unfair made me sensitive.
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@Keneda said in PineTab Anyone?:
being qualified as unfair made me sensitive.
I don't think it was the case.
What was qualified unfair was the request, not you.@PINE64 is taking feedback from the community into account. But it's unfair to abuse it by insisting on something already answered. I imagine you don't ask your bank for an UT app arguing they might loose a lot of customers.
What is unfair is acting like this with a company that's kind enough to listen and take time to answer our questions/suggestions/(even complaints).We are all enthusiastic about these projects and we can be sensitive or eager to react promptly.
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Another quick keyboard-related question, since layouts are being discussed:
Can the keys be moved around with relative ease by the user, or is it one of those keyboards where removing a key is likely to break the mechanism?
Dvorak user with Ć, Ć and Ć here. I'm fine with a keyboard not being 100% correct (J and F will never happen), but I enjoy having a majority of buttons in the right spot.
Not a deal breaker though, especially not if the keyboard is otherwise comfortable. Really excited to see how this develops.
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@AppLee said in PineTab Anyone?:
What was qualified unfair was the request, not you.
I made the request... So if it's unfair asking, i'm unfair asking.
it's unfair to abuse it by insisting on something already answered. I imagine you don't ask your bank for an UT app arguing they might loose a lot of customers.
I was not "insisting", just arguing in a second post.
I don't ask my bank an app because i can access its website with webbrowser and i don't like webapps, i like webbrowsers that let me access all websites.
And it's not relevant to compare with banking, billions of customers and so few that have UT as OS.
Here is thousand of customers or potential ones where lot, if not most, of them are not english, and only 2 layouts, US ANSI and US ISO...What is unfair is acting like this with a company that's kind enough to listen and take time to answer our questions/suggestions/(even complaints).
Acting like making a request and arguing a point is not unfair, at least i though it wasn't between grown people.
But let's keep a cool head.
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@Keneda Not directly related, but AppLee had a point about things getting lost in translation - the English language is a bit of a mine field for politeness, especially maybe when coming from French. Anglophones tend to be less direct about things, and while your comments seem fine if I translate them to French, they do come across as a bit aggressive in English.
As a non-native speaker myself, I have just kind of accepted that I need to try my best to be overly polite and indirect whenever communicating in English. It's a bit of a hassle, but it's generally worth it.
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@potet said in PineTab Anyone?:
Anglophones tend to be less direct about things, and while your comments seem fine if I translate them to French, they do come across as a bit aggressive in English.
I can speak english but i can't think english
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@potet said in PineTab Anyone?:
@Keneda Not directly related, but AppLee had a point about things getting lost in translation - the English language is a bit of a mine field for politeness, especially maybe when coming from French. Anglophones tend to be less direct about things, and while your comments seem fine if I translate them to French, they do come across as a bit aggressive in English.
Thanks for this, I often see things worded in a more direct manner, than just go, "well I'm just gonna turn my back now" or can be somewhat aggressive back, and I know that's not a good trait, and I try to occasionally just turn a blind eye, but sometimes it just gets to me.
Having the context of, "Sorry this sounds fine in my native language, but theirs some lost in translation" makes things a lot easier to digest and understand, and helps prevent aggravated arguing that needn't take place, so thank you
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As a native English speaker I have learnt to take this into account very much in my time on the Forum. What can often seem a very blunt slightly confrontational comment in English is 99% of the time down to the second language/translation thing and most definitely not intended to be so.
Whether it affects us directly or not things are a bit more of a struggle right now for everyone, so let's try and remember that as well.
We are all here for one reason, hopefully, to help make UT the best OS it can possibly be and help others along the way and that is always best done in a polite and friendly manner. -
@Lakotaubp said in PineTab Anyone?:
As a native English speaker I have learnt to . . .
Agreed and upvoted. But we here in the North American "colonies" spell it "learned" as opposed "learnt" as spelled by the original imperialistic speakers of English.
@PINE64 I want a Linux device that can be used as a GPS device. This is possible with the PinePhone, but near as I can tell, the PineTab doesn't currently offer GPS. In the future, will PineTab offer GPS via an expansion board?
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@GizmoChicken Pine64 forum says LTE with GPS optional if using EG25 module that is in the Pinephone - using the expansion board they have made.
I do hope they recommend the best place in the case to place the antennas.
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@rocket2nfinity That's great news. Thanks much for the info! Much appreciated!!
By the way, I hope that you (and others reading my reply to @Lakotaubp ) realize that my reply to him/her was intended, tongue in cheek, to "take the piss out of" my fellow native English speaking cousin.
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@GizmoChicken And I guess you miss a letter out of colour to
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@Lakotaubp said in PineTab Anyone?:
@GizmoChicken And I guess you miss a letter out of colour to
I guess your centre doesn't match his center too ^^
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Is it known if the "community edition" of the pine tab will be charged via Micro USB or USB C? I've grown a long lasting dislike of micro usb charging because it seems after 6 months or so the charging ports inevitably widen meaning you have to get the cable exactly in the right position for it to commence charging lol.
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@rocket2nfinity said in PineTab Anyone?:
@GizmoChicken Pine64 forum says LTE with GPS optional if using EG25 module that is in the Pinephone - using the expansion board they have made.
I do hope they recommend the best place in the case to place the antennas.
Interesting. If the EG25 can be installed, I hope Ubuntu Touch will support the telephony features on the tablet as well as the PinePhone. A tablet that can be used as a giant-screened cellphone is invaluable to people with severely impaired vision, but they are very hard to find.
In the US where I live, I don't know of a single one on the market now or ever. I know some people have imported telephony enabled early 7" Galaxy Tabs from the South Korean market, and there might have been a few others, but nothing currently supported so far as I know.
(Of course the US is going VoLTE-only over the next few years, so not only will all of those older devices no longer work, even Ubuntu Touch might not have VoLTE soon enough not to have an "outage" in the US for an indefinite period.)
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@trainailleur VoLTE does work on my Nexus 6P- experimental UT build. It also works on the PinePhone. So, it should work on the Pinetab.
I have a ZTE Trek 2 HD, an 8 inch android tablet. The call kit works on it with Lineage OS, Kang, and other ROMs, as does SMS. I am trying to put together a Halium build, but I'm not a Dev, so it's not going easy. My last last attempt to port a device failed because of a device tree issue. I have greater confidence in this one because all the sources including vendor are well documented - it has a perfectly running Lineage 14.1 build and I think is a great candidate for UT. If I am successful, it will make a nice 8" phone.
For the devices that are not VoLTE capable, there's always Voip
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@rocket2nfinity said in PineTab:
@trainailleur VoLTE does work on my Nexus 6P- experimental UT build. It also works on the PinePhone. So, it should work on the Pinetab.
Very good news about the PinePhone! Thanks for letting me know. Haven't gotten up to speed with it lately, and haven't watched the latest Q&A, but something said in the previous Q&A had make me think VoLTE was dead in the water for now. Glad to be mistaken.
I have a ZTE Trek 2 HD, an 8 inch android tablet. The call kit works on it with Lineage OS, Kang, and other ROMs, as does SMS.
What was the "call kit"? Was that an add-on? Sorry, I'm not familiar with this device. I'm set up to build Lineage, so a working Lineage 8" phone would be a good one to deploy to people who ask me about such things.
I am trying to put together a Halium build, but I'm not a Dev, so it's not going easy. My last last attempt to port a device failed because of a device tree issue. I have greater confidence in this one because all the sources including vendor are well documented - it has a perfectly running Lineage 14.1 build and I think is a great candidate for UT. If I am successful, it will make a nice 8" phone.
That would be very cool. Best of luck!
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@trainailleur VoLTE is not controllable in the software, But, it does negotiate and run at least on T-mobile - because of the Sprint conversion. T-mobile has turned it on for any device on their network. I know AT&T has done the same. Verizon requires you to call and input a code to turn it on for your phone.
The call kit is the software that interacts with the modem to place calls. On XDA-Developers you'll find where someone patched it for the Trek 2. I tried it. It works, but it's buggy. Voip works perfectly though to make calls - Google Voice , Linphone, etc. The Trek 2 and the LG Gpad X 8 both work really well. I have hopes those two will make for good ports to UT. They are both very well documented and supported after-market .
