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Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration

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      CiberSheep @lduboeuf
      last edited by 4 Mar 2022, 19:34

      @lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

      This was intentional, the idea was to provide a "test" screen just to be familiar with it in system settings. But i agree, on other platforms, you don't have a "tester", when you choose "pattern", you are asking to create/modify the the pattern.

      I'm not thinking of other platforms 😉 but having the pin code exposed all time. I thought the pin in the test screen was just for testing purpose, not going in system settings

      Here we are in special case where users still define its pin code with keyboard. And i would like users just to choose between default pin code prompt or the "clock" one. Maybe the "tester" is not needed ? And just let user discover it at login time.

      This is interesting. Maybe what we want to do is detach the pattern from pin (is that possible? You know the code) as a new form of security code (like fingerprints or passphrase). That could make it on its own, simplify the UI but it would need a way to access via mouse or keyboard

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        lduboeuf @CiberSheep
        last edited by 4 Mar 2022, 21:16

        @cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

        @lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

        This is interesting. Maybe what we want to do is detach the pattern from pin (is that possible? You know the code) as a new form of security code (like fingerprints or passphrase). That could make it on its own, simplify the UI but it would need a way to access via mouse or keyboard

        So you mean having a list of items like this:

        Swipe (no security)...
        4-digit passcode
        4-digit passcode clock prompt
        Passpharse...

        And click on "4-digit passcode clock prompt" ,would bring you to another page, with a way to create a pin code via the clock ?

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          CiberSheep @lduboeuf
          last edited by 5 Mar 2022, 03:03

          @lduboeuf could that work?

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            lduboeuf @CiberSheep
            last edited by 5 Mar 2022, 09:11

            @cibersheep i just need to try it but works need to be done 😉

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              lduboeuf @CiberSheep
              last edited by 5 Mar 2022, 10:29

              @cibersheep i admit, this going to add more work. The simplest would have been just to add a toggle to switch between default prompt to the clock one. If you have any mockups it will help me

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                CiberSheep @lduboeuf
                last edited by 5 Mar 2022, 13:20

                @lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

                @cibersheep i admit, this going to add more work. The simplest would have been just to add a toggle to switch between default prompt to the clock one. If you have any mockups it will help me

                I prepare some and will send them to you

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                  Ian
                  last edited by Ian 3 May 2022, 13:31 5 Mar 2022, 13:30

                  Just tried the demo from the OpenStote.

                  Looks good, works well. Bonus points for giving us a working tester to try it on, nice work.🙂

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                    Quget
                    last edited by 6 Mar 2022, 08:04

                    Nice concept.

                    Is the idea to keep the finger on the screen to unlock or just to press the numbers?

                    My first instinct was to keep my finger on the clock and swipe the code which felt nice for me 🙂

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                      Keneda @Quget
                      last edited by 6 Mar 2022, 09:21

                      @quget said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

                      Is the idea to keep the finger on the screen to unlock or just to press the numbers?

                      Both. You can test it with the dummy app in the openstore.

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                        CiberSheep @lduboeuf
                        last edited by 6 Mar 2022, 20:54

                        @lduboeuf This is my suggestion for 2 different kind of 4-digit pin

                        From other security measure to pattern:

                        • first introduce current pin / passphrase (don't look at that PopUp size)
                        • introduce pattern

                        Once set up, tapping on 4-digit pin clock... you can test it or edit. Tap on edit:

                        • Ask for current pattern, if succesful
                        • Ask for new pattern

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                          CiberSheep @CiberSheep
                          last edited by 6 Mar 2022, 21:00

                          If you decide to do a selection for the 4-digit pin (classic/clock). I would go like this:

                          Select 4-digt pin:

                          • If no other security is set, set it as currently
                          • If there is other method, ask for current and then the new pin
                          • Once set, ask for input method
                          • Tapping on edit:
                            • if classic, edit with the PopUp (as currently)
                            • if clock, edit with new clock view

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                            lduboeuf @CiberSheep
                            last edited by lduboeuf 3 Jul 2022, 14:23 7 Mar 2022, 08:11

                            @cibersheep Thanks for the mockups :), the solution #1 seems to have less screens needed. So i need to dig for that 🙂

                            EDIT: Well i hesitate :), i need to try both ...

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                              lduboeuf @CiberSheep
                              last edited by 7 Mar 2022, 16:36

                              @cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

                              @lduboeuf This is my suggestion for 2 different kind of 4-digit pin

                              From other security measure to pattern:

                              • first introduce current pin / passphrase (don't look at that PopUp size)
                              • introduce pattern

                              Once set up, tapping on 4-digit pin clock... you can test it or edit. Tap on edit:

                              • Ask for current pattern, if succesful
                              • Ask for new pattern

                              I've uploaded a quick ( and probably dirty ) prototype for this case, if you want to give a try and feedback. v1.5

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                                CiberSheep @lduboeuf
                                last edited by 7 Mar 2022, 18:28

                                @lduboeuf I have to say something I forgot:

                                • thanks for working in this
                                • very, very clever to have a test app to test before hand 🙂

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                                  lduboeuf @CiberSheep
                                  last edited by lduboeuf 3 Jul 2022, 22:19 7 Mar 2022, 20:35

                                  @cibersheep said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

                                  @lduboeuf I have to say something I forgot:

                                  • thanks for working in this
                                  • very, very clever to have a test app to test before hand 🙂

                                  Thx, yes, that is easier to test and code

                                  For the current scenario, i think it add some confusion to have a "test" mode and a "define and confirm code" mode ( at least for me ;-)).

                                  [Edit]:
                                  Do you know if i can query login like this ( the popup ) ?. Not sure it is possible. What could be done is :
                                  tap on "pin clock" -> "select" screen -> then when he successfully matched the code, by clicking the "ok" btn in top bar it opens popup ( ask for previous code and pre-filled the new pin like pin code popup just like today ).

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                                    CiberSheep @lduboeuf
                                    last edited by 7 Mar 2022, 22:40

                                    @lduboeuf said in Test alternative pin code prompt - system settings integration:

                                    For the current scenario, i think it add some confusion to have a "test" mode and a "define and confirm code" mode ( at least for me ;-)).

                                    I was thinking in a set pin and test pin, but you are right... it should be: set pin, confirm pin and accept.

                                    Having the lock icon in the middle when setting/edit the code doesn't help making it clear 🙂

                                    Do you know if i can query login like this ( the popup ) ?. Not sure it is possible. What could be done is :
                                    tap on "pin clock" -> "select" screen -> then when he successfully matched the code, by clicking the "ok" btn in top bar it opens popup ( ask for previous code and pre-filled the new pin like pin code popup just like today ).

                                    I didn't understand

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                                      lduboeuf @CiberSheep
                                      last edited by 7 Mar 2022, 23:23

                                      @CiberSheep

                                      Do you know if i can query login like this ( the popup ) ?. Not sure it is possible. What could be done is :
                                      tap on "pin clock" -> "select" screen -> then when he successfully matched the code, by clicking the "ok" btn in top bar it opens popup ( ask for previous code and pre-filled the new pin like pin code popup just like today ).

                                      I didn't understand

                                      see 1.6.0 app

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                                        CiberSheep @lduboeuf
                                        last edited by 8 Mar 2022, 03:37

                                        @lduboeuf Ah. I see.

                                        Well, for the rest of security measures, you confirm the current method (if any) before changing to a new one.

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                                          lduboeuf @CiberSheep
                                          last edited by lduboeuf 3 Aug 2022, 09:55 8 Mar 2022, 08:41

                                          @cibersheep i guess doing a prompt passcode check is like doing a "login", i will need to find if backend support that already

                                          EDIT: bad luck, it doesn't, will need to see how it can be implemented.

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                                            CiberSheep @lduboeuf
                                            last edited by CiberSheep 3 Aug 2022, 12:07 8 Mar 2022, 12:06

                                            @lduboeuf Isn't it already implemented?

                                            When you select swipe (no security) the system asks for the current passphrase / pin

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