Maybe a dead thread but Rhasspy has become a new popular choice.

Is there currently an effort to make LineageOS or Android available on the Pinephone?

If not, would @GizmoChicken or anyone else like to be part of starting up an effort to do that?

I also think this would be a good thing, if I am following this conversation correctly.

Or is this considered to be too much work, not worth the effort right now compared to alternatives?

As @Pulsar33 mentioned his use cases of interest, I think knowing what you want and expect is most important here. I guess I am looking for a laptop/phone convergence at some point; I want to see a UMPC phone like the Cosmo Communicator, but with a keyboard that's a Sony VAIO P Series clone (basically something that's a fully touch-typeable pocket laptop). Then, for everything light, phone, laptop, and tablet are kind of baked in to one. So I am still waiting on hardware here (UMPC-phones aren't really touch-typeable) and I'm not sure how that would interface with Ubuntu Touch or what I would need to change (would have to work on that when the time approaches). So, the article mentions that things like GIMP wouldn't work, which is ok for now but which I guess I was assuming would work well and is going to in the future (isn't convergence a goal and advertised feature?).

I agree with the "Be Honest" part: I felt some of the Linux OS claims were definitely unrealistic and left me feeling frustrated and confused and thinking an average user would just quit dealing with a Linux OS once they ran in to the same problems (unless they were motivated enough by the benefits of the Linux OS to push forward and figure out how to make things work for themselves). I am of course entirely grateful for all that has been done with Ubuntu Touch, and maybe I underestimate what the average user can do these days.

I guess what we want to discuss and hone in on are, what are the most valuable features to work on or improve that can be focused on next?

Is there like an overview (like a road map?) of what features each team is working on? Of course this would be flexible, but just a sketch so people can see what projects they might be able to contribute to that are active? I see listing of groups on here and I'm sure you could look maybe at what's active on Github on development (?) but I guess I was wondering if there is one unified place that organizes a display of all that's going on at once?

@dobey So, some tools can be installed and contained in the container, but it can be accessed from the normal UT terminal app?

And, instead OP was trying to either directly install the tools to the terminal app (outside of a container), or install a terminal emulator inside a Libertine container and then use the tools within that (like a terminal within a terminal)?

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Merry Christmas, UT Community! And, a Happy New Year soon here as well!

I don't know anything about this but are there any apps that could be running in the background which might be using data? (I could see this happening if you leave apps open, maybe?)

Screenshots/PDF/Laptop+ScreenShots

Another more manual workaround: ...could take some map screenshots and take down directions in notes, or make a pdf of maps and just use a pdf reader on the phone. I mention this because it has worked for my use cases before and I've done workarounds like this that "just work" (for me). If your'e going on a longer distance trip and really need more detailed maps, an offline maps on a laptop and particular screenshots as you go might also be a workaround.

Dunno if any other apps work in Libertine containers or Anbox.

Also, can you rule out if you did anything that might have physically broken the hardware?

I searched online for "fairphone sound not working" and some forum posts came up so maybe some other people have run in to the same issue? For instance: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/sound-not-working-at-all/18368

@polyglossia Would you like to work together and create like a blog on simple how-to instructions on how to install various things on Ubuntu Touch and get things running? Or add to projects in Ubuntu Touch already? How can we improve what already exists?

I felt the same way encountering Ubuntu Touch's documentation, I am somewhere in the middle of being able to figure this stuff out and of some of it being over my head, and thought beginners would benefit from us breaking things down even further.

It's an open source project - so maybe we could work on simplifying some things to encourage wider appeal?

(The other big thing to me is just about porting UT to more devices, but that's just an ongoing set of projects)

@tahayassen seconding this, to mention the matrix chat and get questions from there as well

When's the next OTA release? Or do the release dates happen at random whenever they're ready? If random, could random flexible estimated dates be set on when relase might happen (and then it could get pushed back if needed)?

I saw there was a guide on how to reverse tether a UT phone to computer over USB.

I previously posted that I experienced wifi problems with my device: through testing this with LineageOS and having the same problems, I have concluded the problems are at the hardware level and not (as perhaps I thought) something to do with Ubuntu Touch (software). So I realized that I could just reverse tether over USB to the internet (using "gnirehtet"), and then I was thinking that I might be able to use Bluetooth to reverse tether rather than simply use the USB connection all the time.

There are a lot of possible tutorials on how to reverse tether over Bluetooth but I didn't find a simple, straightforward tutorial or get it to work just yet, but was wondering if the above UT guide could be adapted to also reverse tether over Bluetooth or if anyone knows how to reverse tether over Bluetooth in general.

Research Links:

USB and Bluetooth Tethering with Raspberry Pi

Terminal setup of Bluetooth tethering

Look Ma, no Wires! Raspberry Pi Bluetooth tethering

Bluetooth PAND (Personal Area Network) Howto For Debian Etch

How to Reverse Tether an Android Smartphone or Tablet to Your PC

how works bluetooth personal area network on android

I imagine this is fairly complicated, but I was just going to start a post on discussion about developing virtual reality (VR) apps down the road. I've been curious about how a "Desktop VR" would look, and I kind of think VR will be more tied to smartphones than dedicated headsets personally more than other VR people think.

Any thoughts on how to get a "VR Display Mode" going on UT, or about creating a VNC (?) viewer tethered to a desktop view for Desktop VR view? I don't know how complicated it is to port Android apps but I was hoping to test out what already exists (for example: VR Remote Desktop)

edit: Could discuss Augmented Reality (AR) as well...

I don't use WhatsApp and don't know too much about this, but I wouldn't think Anbox would affect how WhatsApp operates. From a quick search online, it seems WhatsApp found faults with certain "unauthorized" WhatsApp forks (?) that were created. If you're just using the normal Android .apk then I don't think they would think anything is different as Anbox shouldn't affect its normal operation (unless someone here knows of something Anbox does that would make WhatsApp look differently).

Some updates on this as I've been testing LineageOS:

Dotterel: Plover + Arpeggiated Regular Keyboard

Dotterel (named after a bird, like "Plover" is) exists, so this same approach could be adapted possible for something of the above. It is an implementation of Plover for Android, and can take an attached keyboard's chords or can use a touch keyboard for "arpeggio mode" (where you can tap each letter and it holds it down until you hit the "space" bar to release the full chord).

I forgot about this mode but it might be an accessible example for implementing on a keyboard for chorded key entry which still might be useful: you could switch to arpeggiation mode with a key, then could hit "A" for instance and that is held down, then "B", then hit a "space" (release) key to release the "A-B" chord to whatever the user defined the chord as, which could be the word "about" or an abbreivation "Apple Berries" or whatever.

Other Existing Keyboards

A couple other Android "chorded" keyboards exist like Penti and Combo Key. I also didn't know the so-called "Hacker's Keyboard" exists, which has CTRL/ALT keys - but unfortunately only in landscape mode I think (would there be a way to get them in portrait mode?).

Ok, I tried installing LineageOS and read a bit about the various mobile operating systems (Wikipedia).

I still feel a little confused on the pros and cons of Android versus Ubuntu Touch, or what was so "wrong" with Android that Ubuntu Touch needed to be created, or how they are so essentially different, or if the creation of Ubuntu Touch was just done because it could be done (which is fine). Is there a post on the Ubports site describing the differences, or should a pros/cons page be created? Basically, I'm not bothered by the idea that LineageOS/Android could offer more for now, but I am wondering what the long term possible benefits are of the Ubuntu Touch approach that could be achieved in the long term: any over Android that come to mind?

I can see how they are kind of "reverses" of each other in some senses though: in Android for instance with the "Termux" app, you can install a full linux distro to work with, along with Android apps on the normal system. In Ubuntu Touch, you can run Android apps in "Anbox", and Linux Desktop apps in "Libertine containers" (at least in theory, I wasn't able to get either working in practice yet but I may have messed something up).

Also: can you install .click packages in Android or has there been a thought of creating that compatibility?

I have recently tried flashing LineageOS on a Nexus 5.

As @MarkG_108 said I still happen to have the UT bootloader I think (as a picture comes up on booting that Nexus 5 is powered by Ubports or something like that).

I ran in to multiple issues reinstalling stock Android (to test that first) but finally it worked fine, I downloaded the .img files from here and flashed each .img file individually with fastboot (like "fastboot flash bootloader bootloader.img" or "fastboot flash system system.img" etc. I think from the folder that contained the images). I think I got the idea from this guide. This booted to normal Android I think with no issues (?). I had some issues connecting to fastboot and adb and I don't remember what I did to fix it but I just kept looking up what to do (like searching "how to fix fastboot devices not showing anything").

So, I don't know how different Nexus 7 is from Nexus 5, and am not sure if you tried to flash all the .img files (or if that is needed) since @Elowan said "installer complains about missing some images".

I'm thinking you should be able to do something to get things working though so I hope you can keep trying and talking with us and something works out!

Text Expansion (Arpeggios)

So on other operating systems, you might be able to type "hw+[space]" and it would erase your text and expand to "hello world". I have no idea how the UT keyboard interacts with the OS but this would be some kind of program that would monitor everything you type to search for user-defined patterns to then erase the text and replace with whatever the user defined. I don't think this currently exists but might be a nice enhancement-feature to add eventually.

Chorded Keyboard: Modifiers

Someone in another post mentioned it might be nice if a proper keyboard was created with control and alt keys like for thumb typing in terminal. I noticed while writing this post that on the keyboard, there is a feature to hold the key down and swipe up to select between a few choices. It would be interesting if you could swipe up on shift to control or alt keys (as a "sticky") and then select a letter to form a two-key "chord". Or also perhaps if the user could define more of the choices available, and you could hold down a key and swipe in all directions to choose even more choices (rather that just swiping up).

Chorded Keyboard: Anything

Or, I was wondering if it was possible to code other "chorded" entries, like if you hold down shift and hit "a", it outputs "A" and releases both keys, or if you held down "hw" at the same time and released it, it might output "hello world" (if you wanted it to do that).

In portrait mode I might be able to get three fingers to chord an entry at once, or in landscape mode even more (six fingers if it is laying down, maybe four-five if holding it with one hand). This would be utilizing some kind of multi-touch properties of the devices.

Plover

Also, I don't know if this runs in Libertine containers or could run on UT, but the Open Steno Project has a program that takes chords in their stenography shorthand combinations and outputs the corresponding defined words. For instance, someone hooked up a steno keyboard to what I assume is Android to type in a cigar box - I think it would be cool to see on UT eventually, if it doesn't easily work at present.

What do you think? I can try to expand on the above if it wasn't clear.

@poVoq Ok thx. Doesn't have to be user-friendly for me.

Or like also what about https://www.replicant.us/?