Hello,

I would like to ask a question about the following behaviour.

In various Gtk/Xwayland apps ( in Chormium for UT, Signal UT, Min Browser, Rocket.Chat) when a secondary X window is opened (like menu window or overlay window), and I see it gets immediatly resized full screen (which is not normal). Then it bothers it and it closes immediately. This is kind of problematic.

My questions is:
1- Is there a lomiri deamon that resize automatically new XWayland windows to fullscreen
2- Is it possible to disable this behaviour, or at least for certain windows?
3- I see that in uWolf the problem does not happen how come? @fuseteam any idea?

Here are the X logs for example when I open the menu of the Min browser:

bin/xev -root 

CreateNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    parent 0x3ef, window 0x800013, (-53,66), width 829, height 1433
border_width 0, override YES

MapNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    event 0x3ef, window 0x800013, override YES

ConfigureNotify event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    event 0x3ef, window 0x800013, (125,302), width 829, height 1433,
    border_width 0, above 0xe00003, override YES

ClientMessage event, serial 18, synthetic YES, window 0x800013,
    message_type 0x111 (_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW), format 32

PropertyNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    atom 0x111 (_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW), time 635893, state PropertyNewValue

FocusOut event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    mode NotifyNormal, detail NotifyPointer

FocusOut event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    mode NotifyNormal, detail NotifyPointerRoot

FocusIn event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    mode NotifyNormal, detail NotifyDetailNone

KeymapNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
    keys:  0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   
           0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   

ConfigureNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    event 0x3ef, window 0x800004, (0,0), width 1080, height 2277,
    border_width 0, above 0x800013, override NO

PropertyNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    atom 0x111 (_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW), time 635897, state PropertyNewValue

ConfigureNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    event 0x3ef, window 0x800013, (125,302), width 829, height 1433,
    border_width 0, above 0x800004, override YES

ConfigureNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    event 0x3ef, window 0x800013, (125,302), width 1080, height 2277,
    border_width 0, above 0x800004, override YES

UnmapNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    event 0x3ef, window 0x800013, from_configure NO

UnmapNotify event, serial 19, synthetic YES, window 0x3ef,
    event 0x3ef, window 0x800013, from_configure NO

DestroyNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    event 0x3ef, window 0x800013

PropertyNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    atom 0x111 (_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW), time 635961, state PropertyNewValue

FocusOut event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    mode NotifyNormal, detail NotifyDetailNone

FocusIn event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
    mode NotifyNormal, detail NotifyNonlinearVirtual

KeymapNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
    keys:  157 0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   
           0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0

(We see that we have a fullscreen resize here: ConfigureNotify event, serial 19, synthetic NO, window 0x3ef,
event 0x3ef, window 0x800013, (125,302), width 1080, height 2277,
border_width 0, above 0x800004, override YES )

Anyway in the long run we will hopefully switch to Wayland when Mir2.x is included in the system, and then the OSK will be handled differently that it currently is. Not sure whether the 24.04.2 branch will include Mir2.x .

@developer said in "Are we mainstream-ready yet?":

Was wondering whether it could make sense to publish a table or roadmap outlining the exact features, services and improvements that are missing to match the Android/iOS user experience. This would help potential users, as well as developers to identify quickly where to help, and possibly also funders, who could more easily understand viability.

I would say that the issue with that is that "the Android/iOS user experience" means very different things for different users, depending on how they use their phone. Some might use Android/iOS, only use some very basic phone features that have been covered for long by Ubuntu Touch, while someone might rely on this very niche Application available on Android/iOS and consider it as and an essential basic tool, while only a small minority use it. (And many different users might use different niche applications)

Some people will tolerate without problem some feature being slightly less efficient than in Andoid/iOS because they don't spend much time on their phone or use some feature very regularly, while this might be a problem for someone who use the phone intensively to loose even 1s when doing some operations.

I think all this is very subjective.

(As I've never used Android/iOS I cannot really compare anyway)

@Ida_

Yes I have heard that but unfortunately this is not specific to Signal UT, it concerns all Gtk/Xwayland apps ( uWolf, uFirefox, Chormium for UT, Min browser, Rocket.chat, ...).

This bug should be reported to the system devs, because it would be a real shame that it make its way to the stable release, as it would be a regression in usability for many users.

I have no way to investigate right now, because I have only one phone, and cannot afford to change to unstable version.

Ps: I'm working on notifications, a new release should be available quite soon.

@bunt7 said in No Network Connectivity – microphone is not working:

The second thing is, that the Network Connectivity jump, without doing anything, from the first to the second sim card (the second sim card is usable only for calls), and than there is no Connectivity.l.

I have the same problem on my vollaphone 22 I plan to write a script that reconnects automatically when the network cellular connexion get lost but LTE connexion is enabled, as a temporary workaround. Then we'll see with the devs if anything can be integrated in the system to make connection more reliable.

@danfro

Well not sure, I've never done this process. It's possible that if the process uses a popup that requires subsurface, that it does not work properly! But other than that I don't really see why it wouldn't work, bur you never know.

@gpatel-fr said in More Apps Please!!:

also for keyboard thats an easy fix you need to include a cache file look to ufirefox/uwolf for example on how to get gtk apps to use maliit

I thought first of compliing a Ubuntu touch driver for each Kde pack but it's not obvious to learn to compile various stuff for UT, especially at things that no one other than a core dev would touch. It would be a cleaner fix though

Honestly I don't know why maliit/inputcontext-gtk is not included by default in the system, so that it does not have to be included in the apps. Although the problem is that this module has some bugs and I had to make some very hacky patches to get it to work properly with SignalUT and Min Browser (spoiler: and soon Rocket.Chat ).

But hopefully this won't be necessary to use this module when we can switch to Wayland with Mir2.x .

@danfro

I'm not sure what exactly this would look like, or where this would display. If you have a screenshot it could help!

@moem Maybe you could edit the first post to mention that "there is currently no native, working Signal client for UT" is no longer up-to-date. Because your topic often appears on the first results, when people are looking for "Signal Ubuntu Touch", and they might not read until the end.

@arubislander

Yes I know abut uFirefox.

Distributions like Mobian, or postmarketOS, don't seem to bother much about trademark concerns, in this situation.

@Ernst-Jan15

Great that you could make it to stable release, I hope it will suit you!

@gpatel-fr said in More Apps Please!!:

@pparent said in More Apps Please!!:

I made a pull request to correct that

Unsure what you wanted to correct, I hope it's not to publish Chrome on the Ubuntu Touch store, Google may object to that

No the fact that you cannot input passwords with the keyboard on Chromium for UT

https://github.com/Shapa7276/chromiumut/pull/2

@tigermoth said in More Apps Please!!:

Firefox.

You can try uWolf, it's a version of libreWolf a fork of Firefox.

I think it might be a good idea to publish Firefox-esr itself in the openstore, somehow it's not the case yet.

@tigermoth said in More Apps Please!!:

Anyway I tried Chromium, typing issue nothing prints. Chrome is more versatile for video compatibility, or may be Firefox.

Yes well I made a pull request to correct that I hope the app maintainer will publish an update soon!

@tigermoth

About VLC I plan to try to port it when VLC 4.x is released because it seems to have an interface that is more mobile friendly.

About Chrome there is already Chromium in the Openstore, can it suit you, or do you want google Chrome for a specific reason? ( I guess most people if the choose not to use escape google/Android world, it might not be to install Google Chrome later in Ubuntu Touch)

For email did you try dekko2 ? (For me works well!)

From my point of view, I think you should consider, that many apps you mention have an interface designed for desktop, that would just not be pleasant to use on a phone screen, or even usable at all, if they were ported as is, this is the main reason they are no in the openstore. As a matter of fact many that you cite are installable through snap, or libertine, or other methods, and you could try that, but you will see they are of little use on a phone screen.

@Moep

Hello,

Normally the installer should recommend you the version 24.04, but you have the choice during the installation process. Now the version 24.04 is really recommended over the version 20.04 that has some limitations, but make sure to select the stable branch of 24.04 and NOT the daily branch (that is daily builds, recommanded only for testers/devellopers).

It has snap support, but also Ubuntu Touch is shipped with an application store dedicated to mobile apps: the Open Store ( https://open-store.io/ ) , where you should find the most usefull apps for your mobile life. As for encryption I'm not sure maybe other can reply, on that.

Ps: Also note that FP3 is reported to offer an experience significatively worse than FP5 on Ubuntu touch: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/11449/how-does-your-experience-of-ut-compare-on-fp3-vs-fp5

@Ernst-Jan15

I think for Fairphone 4 I've seen it's power + volume down but not sure.

here:
https://youtu.be/F4_Ddh6RZyw?si=M74ZVlq7sFIAwmmz&t=333

@AppLee

They have not reached out to me again, but I would say every french citizen that use UT is entitled to contact them about this concern and the more they receive requests about that, the more they are likely to take it seriously. And I guess it is also possible to send them a message in the name of the fundation with an offer for assistance on the technical side.

https://france-identite.gouv.fr/contact/

Ps: By the way an argument that seems efficient to draw their attention lately, in the current context, is stressing that by not being inter-operable (as they are legally obliged) they are effectively offering a duopoly to 2 American companies, and preventing any potential alternative from emerging.

@gpatel-fr said in Some questions:

I would like to have a new stable too

Although I really hope it does not mean a bug for the keyboard for gtk/xWayland apps (uWolf, Signal UT, Min browser, Chromium for UT) might have sneaked in the daily channel, and thus possibly making its way to the next stable...

@Ernst-Jan15

Ok for now password saving does not work in Min browser because there is no system keyring. So for now you cannot import or save passwords.