PinePhone
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@PINE64 I am starting to get nervous, with so many devices being online, if even half of them would only go for Ubuntu Touch, we need to ramp up our infrastructure for push notifications soon ^^
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@Flohack - The following is just my guess: most users will end up using either UT or SailfishOS. At least initially. PMOS with Plasma mobile will also take a chunk out of this pie, but it won't be quite as large due to no app store and general complexity / lesser polish of Plasma mobile at this time.
Down the road I think that Replicant will have a big install base.
Most overlooked OS, in my view, is LuneOS, which is just great.
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if a special edition will be available at some point with 3GB RAM and more storage. This hasn't been decided yet.
It's just an idea that came to me that, I guess, you have to think about: shouldn't you launch first, in some form (limited time with guarantee to get this product for example) a pre-order of the special edition so that you have a more accurate numerical basis?
(you don't have to answer me, I bring this idea that's all
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@domubpkm You're probably right. But experimenting with hardware when we're this short on time for production is a bad idea. This goes for the electronics and the chassis.
Electronics: what if the additional RAM module somehow doesn't play nice with existing software? (this has actually happened before on another device) What if it makes a difference in powerdraw or something similar? We have no time to properly test and troubleshoot etc.,
Chassis: we know how the black plastic cures in production. But say we would make it white or blue or whatever, there would be very little time to assess how a different plastic would cure or hold up. What if its too soft, or too brittle, or the color shows molding blemishes? ...
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@PINE64 You are indeed right when i consider the data you provided me: my reasoning was based on the fact that a large part of the tests had already been done, whether at the hardware or software level, concerning a special 3 GB RAM edition.
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@domubpkm There will be multiple 'special' editions - for each partner project.
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@B2288 That will happen very late, as currently we do not have final dev builds. But we will keep you posted
I'm sorry if I'm not understanding, but does "that will happen very late" mean that it will take a long time for Ubuntu Touch to be available (even as beta release) even after the PinePhone BraveHeart release? Even longer than the mass production release? Just curious if there are estimates...
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@orthocube Fully working devices with OS versions should be ready for March next year as things stand
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@Lakotaubp But I intend to help in testing. If even beta versions of OSes are not released during the BraveHeart release, how can I even help test and submit bug reports?
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@orthocube Have a look here https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3334/pinephone-tutorial/3
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@orthocube,
Quick answer : the installer is a convenience for end users to facilitate flashing a device.For "more advanced" users who wants to debug and help testing the method will be closer to development methods.
But in case of the PinePhone it will be quite easy first steps are the same as installing an OS for the raspberry pi ; flashing a SD card withddcommand. Then I guess there will be something like a bootloader allowing to boot from the SD card or to flash the device using the image on SD card. -
UniSuperBox 4 days ago
Download the rootfs image from https://ci.ubports.com/job/rootfs/job/rootfs-pinephone/
1 Extract and write the image to an SD card
2 Plug SD card into phone
3 Boot phoneThat should do it.
Copied from @Universalsuperbox post in the other thread, how to get OS on to PinePhone
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Thanks for the reply, and I'm sorry for the dumb question XD
I was wandering around the UBPorts website looking for a download link to the image so I thought it isn't available to the public. Tried searching Google too, but didn't find that information.
(Download link seems to be down at the moment but I imagine it'll be up again anytime soon.)
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@orthocube There is no such thing as a dumb question
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The following is just my guess: most users will end up using either UT or SailfishOS. At least initially.
UT or SailfishOS? I know that the Pinephone already allows for booting a secondary system from an SD card, which is cool. But how about offering a way to multi-boot from internal storage? That would be super cool. :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
Down the road I think that Replicant will have a big install base.
Yep. And although I won't score many upvotes for saying so, if I owned a Pinephone, provided I had an easy way to install and boot both, I'd probably install Ubuntu Touch and Replicant (Android) to the internal storage. I'd use UT whenever practical. But I'd likely need to boot into Replicant at least occasionally until Anbox is better supported.
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@GizmoChicken I would assume though that this will be easier to do but I don't know the technicalities so I might be wrong. But I agree that it would be cool to multi-boot. 16GB of internal storage can be a little low though.
My 32GB Nexus 5 has Android, Sailfish OS and 3 UT and it's almost full
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@kugiigi 16GB for android is a very narrow storage.
System requires at least 5GB and apps take a huge lot, for few apps you can count 6GB for your data and alternative OS that's not enough.
Moving apps to SD card is not always possible on android and there's still data stored on the main internal storage.But I agree multiboot would be a cool feature, but I guess for later "special edition".
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@kugiigi 16GB for android is a very narrow storage.
I think that's the point that @kugiigi was making. And I agree with both of you.
Even so, I think that a way to multi-boot from internal storage (even if only 16GB at present) should be offered in the initial model, or as soon as possible, as a proof-of-concept. If successful, PinePhone will have more incentive to offer upgraded models with larger internal storage.
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I have thought that you can boot a system from the SD Card as well.
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