PinePhone
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@trainailleur Those phone covers are an idea we also like. Ok, lets see how that goes - no promises. Personally I'd love to see all partner projects represented at the back of the phone case at one point.
Agreed, not promised, so I won't pin my hopes to it. Even more interested in the proposed physical keyboard add on (which I also understand has not been promised), but orange case and a keyboard? That would be even better.
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Even more interested in the proposed physical keyboard add on
the first Jolla phone had some connectors under the back cover which enabled smart back covers. That sparked a couple very interesting third party back covers. One of it was a flip out hardware keyboard back cover https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2028347278/tohkbd-the-other-half-keyboard-for-your-jolla
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@PINE64 Do you plan to support MHL, or HDMI directly? Given the size of the phone, it would be incredibly useful to be able to connect it via HDMI and manage the screens using xrandr.
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@dpilux https://twitter.com/thepine64/status/1098604137514762241
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Hope so, @dobey - for convergence sake!
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An interesting vlog about linux on phones in general, with Ubports and Ubuntu Touch in particular.
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@dpilux We've got a plan for how digital video out via USB C will work. I will not discuss it at this point - not because its top secret, but rather because I don't want to disappoint you in case this particular implementation doesn't come to fruition (haven't spoken to the party/ vendor that would make it possible yet).
One way or another, there will be digital video (HDMI) out via USB C.
@doniks We hear you. We are still planning on a keyboard, likely in the form of a phone case (sliding like e.g. the old Nokia N900) but one thing at a time. Lets get the phone right first. As for connections ... we'll see. Perhaps using the USB C port or BT. There won't be custom pogo pins - too much retooling for the case would be needed.
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I totally agree with @doniks your engagement and responses have been excellent and very much appreciated. Really enjoying reading this thread.
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This is such an amazing and inspirational thread. Thank you @PINE64
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@malditobastardo said in PinePhone:
This is such an amazing and inspirational thread. Thank you @PINE64
Totally agree. I'm very excited for PinePhone
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Thank you all
I still owe @advocatux some answers re. the cameras - we should have some ideas about their specs soon. -
@3arn0wl You need to make small steps. If you shoot for a high end device but it has constant problems, nobody will buy it, you failed and have wasted a lot of money. Once we have a basic phone and people see that things are working, we can talk about a Pro model ^^
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Indeed @Flohack - I'm very satisfied with the game plan. -
attn @advocatux
For those who were curious about the cameras - here are the part numbers: for the front cam we use GC2035 and for the back camera we use 5 mpx OV6540. The datasheet documentation has "CONFIDENTIAL" across every single page (despite that I think its probably not) so I'll need to ask for permission before posting it. If permission to disseminate the datasheets is granted, then I'll edit and update this post. -
@PINE64 thank you for the info!
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@PINE64 I really appreciate how open, realistic, trustable and reasonable PINE64 is acting! So here comes a bit of a delicate question, which I'm pretty sure is difficult to answer positively... For many of the people here (i guess) beside freedom, openness and privacy also acting responsible and ethically is important/an issue. Do you know how the Pine64 community thinks about that? Have their been any discussions/investigations on what it would cost to get a 'clean' supply chain or to what degree it would be even possible?
A few questions stolen from @lionelb:- Does ethical manufacture have to mean that it is only affordable by an elite?
- Since you rely on many components, the research necessary to check green and labour credentials would be 10x the size of the rest of your organisation? (Would working together with the fairphone guys make sense?)
- Do you have some ethical policies and can we find them on the website or can you publish them?
Even if the outcome is that you use regular materials, as otherwise the price would skyrocket (@TheKit), I'm appreciating very much the possibility of having an honest discussion with you in contrast to almost all other companies...
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Just caught up on the last week's #pinephone IRC logs and @thepine64 Twitter posts. Only update that needed to be made to the first post above was the thickness growing from 8.5mm to 8.9mm. Per tllim on IRC, the dimensions are now likely finalized.
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The dev kit wiki section has been updated with a lot of schematics, including the cameras.
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@hummlbach Those are all good, difficult and complex questions indeed. These are also questions that are beyond my competence and insight, as I know little about the manufacturing process. I'll do my best to give you a broad overview of how the Pinephone is being born and hope that you will be able to deduce answers from what I write.
Large, complex and custom built components - such as for instance a LCD + TP panel - are very expensive. Custom plastic/metal molds are expensive too, as is extensive retooling of plastic/metal molds. To maintain the Pinephone price-point, some of the components - such as parts of the case and the LCD+TP - have been sourced from reliable vendors with two major factors in mind: quality of the components (+ their long-term supply safety) and the ability of the component in question to work "seamlessly" with mainline Linux. Then there are the many custom components - including the main PCB, the inside layout of the phone, parts of case, etc., - that are assigned to design studios and manufactured by factories the studios work with.
We do not have the means or ability to vet every vendor (the number of reasons why is beyond the scope of this post, but spans from cultural to practial) nor can we influence which factories design studios work with. Now, with that said, all component vendors meet all standard manufacturing practices that apply to 99% of quality electronics on the market. We cut no corners and work with reliable partners only.
