@Flohack I don't have to motivate the people.
I don't think you can look in his eyes and say to him "no"
This new Raspberry PI ARM board seems to meet many of our "must-have" features for a good desktop experience:
I suspect this board could be The reference non-phone ARM device for our loved UT .
Take a circle in dark grey (from the Ubuntu touch color chart) put the two ears of Yumi on each side in the same color and in the center of the circle you put Ut, in white color.
And you look great...
was this solution voted ?
Aalso we could think to substitute the badge with something totally different. For example:
this avoid the whole problem...all elements in the last three/four images in the right contain only and already trademarked by ubports elements so no trolled by lawyers and opportunists risks. so the secret and restricted poll can be avoided, but imho it should be a semi-official mascote so the ubports foundation should decide if this can be openly voted
[small semi OT] I'm not so reassured after the @Flohack explanation in the Q&A 52 about that at the level of Telegram stickers for use in our groups, we are hardly likely to be sued. the stickers are not confined in a single telegram group (so there is not an "our groups" when we talk about telegram stickers) and I will not be able to tell or control what will happen after publishing them. also it is not only a problem about be sued... I (not ubport foundation) have to sign a "Trademark Licence Agreement for Ubuntu" knowing that I will infringe many points of that agreement if I put the circle of friend within the yumi stickers .
so using their trademarked symbols against the agreement would put me (and not the ubports foundation) in an indefensible and irremediable position from now till the end of the trademark (or the end of telegram) and during all that time I've to hope no one of the future Canonical ADs or owners will intend to sue me.
apart from the improbable (but still existing) sue problem, being a contributor in a free and open project (OpenStreetMap) of which use by third parties is frequently affected by attribution and license violations I'm personally against violate a licence agreement of an free and opensource project like ubuntu.[/small semi OT] so I will not publish/use anymore a yumi or Ubports logo with the circle of friend in it. it remains to understand if, how and when a decision will be made on the Yumi badge.
inspired by the question on New badge for Yumi? I have a new question:
how official choices will be made under the UBports Foundation? (aka what will be the decision chain?)
@dobey I instead find interesting hear what other developers think. In that discussion I see only your and flohack answers so it can be worthwhile to bring this in a Q&A. also the anwsers in the last discussion on the forum seems different. you say it has no benefit, flohack says only it is not a priority for the moment and given it was one of the milestone I suspect your pov is not necessarily the same with the rest of the ubports foundation developers.
Hi @dobey, so you have to put a "container" (snap) in another "container"/sandbox (libertine) only because most of the package on it are not suitable for smartphone and its display server?
I thought the libertine purpose was mainly to permit the installation of deb packages because of their confinement incompatible with the rest of the smartphone os (xorg build-ed apps I think can be handle by xmir) . and snaps for a confinement POV seems to me more similar to clicks (and for some aspect more strict) than to deb, but I'm not a developer so probably here I'm wrong.
from your last sentence don't seem to me that putting snapd in libertine is a mandatory step, but mainly as a matter of order (keep separate smartphone apps from desktop apps); isn't possible to have snapd in parallel/external to libertine and with the same "integration" or, put in a provocative way, why is not possible to use snapd as a substitute to libertine to install desk software ( apart for the compatibility problems between snapd and the kernel/init used in UT)?
I was not thinking about snap as a click substitute, but this is surely an interesting and instructive discussion, so I ask you if can you help me understand what are the things that snap can't do/replace and that click does?
my first test with yumi:
the my new logo proposal has the heads a little too big probably it is also an optic effect caused by the different design (the bodies are inside the circle, non on the perimeter, so the heads are more dominant) also maybe is better to enlarge the space between the various element to improve their resolution (so should keep in mind the screen resolution and our eyes angular resolution). the right yumi is with the modified badge symbol
as always I have two questions :
the use of canonical trademarked symbols in various UBports graphic elements could lead to potential Trademark Licence infringing by community members that doesn't have signed an "ad personam" Trademark Licence Agreement for Ubuntu with Canonical.
Also this licence agreement limits the use of those symbols to "promote Ubuntu, participate in the Ubuntu community, or to contribute to the Ubuntu community" so it doesn't seem to consider the use to promote something different and independent like the UBports fondation/projects/community. Do you have plans and timing about the removal / replacement of those TM symbols?
and a totaly different question: what do you think about SPURV from the Collabora team?
so probably this new badge will be a necessity for the stickers
I must sign a "Trademark Licence Agreement for Ubuntu" in order to use their logo in the sticker. But there are some points in it I don't understand.
"License grant. Canonical grants to you a non-exclusive licence to use the Trademark as described in Exhibit A to: (i) promote Ubuntu, (ii) participate in the Ubuntu community, or (iii) contribute to the Ubuntu community....."
but with the sticker I'm "promoting" another community/project independent from ubuntu
"Restrictions. You may not do any of the following without Canonical's prior written consent: [...] use the Trademark in conjunction with any other name, word, logo, or symbol, (iii) ...."
so seems I can't use ubuntu logo in conjunction with the Yumi image ( it can be defined another logo, or symbol) until I ask (another) written consent
"Trademark Statement. You agree to include the following disclaimer, or similar wording, where appropriate: “Ubuntu is a trademark of Canonical Limited and is used with the permission of Canonical Limited. We are not endorsed by or affiliated with Canonical Limited or the Ubuntu project."
that is impossible to do in the sticker pack
so I think it is a no-go for my use of ubuntu logo on the yumi sticker.
@advocatux sorry, but I'm having some problem with the internet connection and I could not see the latest Q&A video so I'm waiting for the summary. Not having heard anything about the UT port on some open ARM board in the other Q&A it seemed to me that it was not on the UBP agenda
with the arrival of "open" smartphone like Pinephone or Librem5 we will see the arrival of UT image without Halium or an Android compatibility . Where can we found useful informations/porting guides about porting UT (or other OS if the procedure is similar) on "open" hardware/ARM Board?
given that make UT installable on very diffuse ARM Boards (like RaspberryPi) could massively enlarge the number of potential tester and developers (useful also for the smartphone/tablet side), why the port on those ARM Boards is not one of the priorities for UBports? (no criticism intended just curiosity)
@trainailleur I don't think all kind of imaginable friend circle is trademarked. As their website says
the Canonical’s Trademarks (registered in word and logo form) include:
note how the edubuntu symbol is extremely similar to the ubuntu symbols and despite this they have to specify that it is also under trademark (so it is not covered by the ubuntu symbol trademark).
all the more reason you shouldn't have problems if you don't have even a circle
(plus we could consider our elements only collaborators and not friends )