@bolly I was attempting to establish wether or not the boot loader could have been at fault obviously a custom multiboot image doesnt belong to ubports..

@applee I want to see a future where we can cast our workspace to a tv and use our phone as the keyboard/mouse. My issue is that in fedora mobile for instance desktop applications work out of the box but might not be usable in every orientation. Id rather have some functionality and choice than none of either and ill leave it at that.

@bolly are you also running megis multiboot or just the flashed os?

@applee My time is limited and it actually can be very helpful to give an outside perspective especially concerning reverse compatibility and accessability options for people with physical or technical limitations. This topic did create discourse and provoke some people to think about application and screen management which even if it wasnt well recieved its an undeniable issue. We all know that libertine isnt the ultimate especially when it comes to end users and accessability. So is there a path forward other than stomping in and demanding people like libreoffice to rewrite their applications?

@applee My skill tree is unimportant in my comments and concerns. Does ubports want to reach a more diverse user base if so at what point and when do we start talking to eachother that way? The OS is for the most part stable and its getting more so as well as easy to use UI wise. But it could be better I just want ubports to do well because I see it as having the potential to be the best mobile OS. My critque is not to hurt anyone it actually is with the intention to help. I think developers would add tags to their applications rather than rebuilding them to fit a particular windowing system, resolution, and or dpi.

@dobey you dont need to patronize me I fully understand how libertine works and its limitations the container could be a good idea if there were an app type handler script. Also it wouldnt be so clunky if the container worked in tandem with the app store and the file manager ie making .deb packages easier to import for non terminal users.

@dobey Im in no way "stomping in" Im bringing up real issues that can be addressed. Also the "help" trope is empty without a work flow, development team support or structure to contribute. I wouldnt devote time to fix these issues and implement my ideas if the team isnt going to adopt them anyway.

@applee I think you are missing my point that many phones and tablets that are designed for linux are sold as convergence capable systems. People dont want ubports to be android the point of linux on convergence capable devices is to support legacy applications. Its a pretty simple concept and again Id rather have access to xwindow applications even if they only work when docked. Ive messeged many application devs and they dont seem enthusiastic to rewrite their entire application when it works just fine on other distros.

@cibersheep in discouraging screen orientation switching you essentially draw a line in the sand and I always thought linux was more open than that. People will migrate to Arch and mobian if there arent enough functioning applications for ubports availible. Essentially you are asking developers to conform to your os rather than organzing the os in a way where more applications are compatible..it doesnt make a lot of sense and worth looking at scripts and application manifests.

@reallyfesucks ive had similar issues and removed the battery and fully discharged phone via holding down the power button.

@applee exactly a standard needs to be made.

The App Store should have some ui element to let end users know if an app is convergence friendly. Separating them into these three categories could help

Convergence
Desktop
Mobile

Attaching identifiers to applications could help with building a more robust ecosystem that isnt neccissarilly bound by one window management system.

For instance

Convergence identified apps could run in any orientation or docked
Desktop identified apps would launch in landscape mode and switch window manager.
Mobile identified apps would launch in portrait mode and use default window manager.

@hobanwashburn quite frankly libertine sucks as is it needs to be more user friendly or esentially a background task that the app store utilizes.

How about a seperate category in the app store for desktop apps that are run in a container that switches the screen orientation and window manager.

@totalsonic I require spread sheets though.

@moncon details please on getting libreoffice to work and in captain dummy talk if you wouldnt mind.

@lakotaubp Im simply pointing out that implementing 2 different window managers might be what we want and when docking or using apps that are desktop apps the system auto rotates and switches window managers.

@lakotaubp Im not saying there hasnt been progress did you try the new release build its near perfect.

@cliffcoggin Actually there are a lot of applications for such a device especially in mobile vending. And its what the pinephone was sold as a convergence device.

@lakotaubp I felt general was a more apropriate forum as it might not be a device specific issue.