https://gitlab.com/android_translation_layer/android_translation_layer

so ATL pro s there for some time, has anyone tried to use it on UT? it might be better way for some apps just to include java into click than runnin waydroid

Hello, i would need a help from anybody behind an account @ubports:matrix.org we need to open our Czech room to be able to join without invitation link, thanks

@Eric-H i think that those first six bullets from you are just device-specific since i dont have them on miatoll stable (reboots, freezing on volte, camera crashing, camera quality) and i am not sure if there should be listed community device-specific issue

@mariogrip

For the following reasons, I migrated from Ubuntu Touch (Redmi Note 9 Pro, miatoll) to an iPhone about a month ago

The following list summarizes the most critical issues that prevented me from using Ubuntu Touch (UT) as a reliable daily driver and led to my decision to migrate. These points are sorted according to the priorities defined by the Smooth Edges project.

Bug List and Feedback for the Smooth Edges Project

Priority 1: Core System Stuff (Critical Bugs, Unusability)

• Random Lomiri crashes.
• Battery drainage – Is there a missing application sleep implementation (App States)? We need better implementation of different application states (running in background, running in foreground, suspended) for effective power management.
• Non-functional/Unfriendly OpenVPN: Prevents access to the corporate network. Setting up via the terminal is overly complicated, user-unfriendly, and ultimately unsuccessful.

Priority 2: Basic Phone Features (Core Functionality)

• Car Connectivity/Bluetooth (BT) Reliability:
  • Issues connecting the phone to the car (BT audio playback problems, car refuses to turn up music).
  • Contacts sync failure – When someone calls, only the number is displayed, not the name.
  • BT music issues (Unreliable music control): Play/Pause/Previous song sometimes doesn't work from the car/headphones.
  • BT music autoplay – Music continues playing after BT is disconnected.
• Answering phone calls while driving – A major issue due to unreliable connectivity/UI.
• Non-functional notifications for IMAP (outside of Gmail).
• Green email icon persistence: While the "Clear" button exists to dismiss all notifications, the green envelope icon (indicating new email) remains active even after simply viewing the notification list. It would be preferable if the icon reverted to a non-active state (lost its green color) after the user has checked the notifications.

Priority 3: Daily Use (Everyday Frustrations)

• Browser (Web):
  • Too old browser (Outdated QtWebEngine).
  • Firefox (alternative) has no clipboard.
  • Native browser doesn't support disabling autoplay.
  • Smoothness of web is bad.
• Multimedia and Files:
  • Unreliable Nextcloud photos sync.
  • Slow gallery loading (See: https://gitlab.com/ubports/development/apps/lomiri-gallery-app/-/issues/121).
  • Poor UX for video playback in the Camera app preview: When viewing a video immediately after recording it, clicking 'play' opens a separate Video application. This Video app remains running and open after the video finishes playback, forcing the user to manually close it before they can return to browse other media in the Camera app's preview.
• Navigation: Non-functional/unreliable navigation application – necessity to use Waydroid.
• Calendar reliability and function: There is a lack of trust in calendar synchronization (often failing with Google/Nextcloud), leading to missed meetings. Furthermore, links and call information from synced events are often not clickable/openable, preventing quick joins to meetings.
• Problem understanding call history – Unclear Call History Presentation: It is difficult to track the complete sequence of communication with a contact (e.g., multiple missed calls, outgoing calls, and answered calls) within the interface, making the chronology hard to parse.

Priority 4: Polish (UI, UX Improvements)

• Keyboard – The .tld button (e.g., .cz, .com) should be removed entirely. It is a major source of frustration and significant time loss. It is frequently misclicked instead of the spacebar, resulting in erroneous DNS errors when trying to use the address bar for quick searches (e.g., typing "query.czsearch.cz" instead of "query search ").
• History/Contacts: Clicking on contact from history won't just call, it delays me by only pre-filling the number in the dialer (See: gitlab.com/ubports/development/ubuntu-touch/-/issues/2295).
• Small buttons – Too small buttons (back), making them hard to tap accurately (See: gitlab.com/ubports/development/apps/teleports/-/issues/288) - not Teleports-only issue.
• Notification UI: The "Clean" button should float absolutely at the bottom, not relatively below all notifications.
• Feeling of security: Lack of security trust (unlocked bootloader, corporate data/banking inside Waydroid).
• Head-Up Display (Header) Clutter: Too many unnecessary icons in the header make it hard to see the time. We request:
  • Unconditional Removal: Remove the Rotation Lock, Bluetooth, and GPS icons entirely from the header bar.
  • Merge Dual SIM: Consolidate the two separate dual SIM icons into a single, space-saving icon.
  • Conditional Email Icon: The static envelope icon should only appear when there is an actual notification.

Priority 5: Nice to Have (Advanced Features/Edge Cases)

• Productivity applications: Missing native support for MS Teams / Slack / Google Meet.
• Non-functional Spotify (experience is currently painful via Waydroid). Proposed solution: Investigate the possibility of easily integrating popular mainstream desktop Linux applications into OpenStore (like the official Spotify desktop client) using existing distribution formats (e.g., Snap, Flatpak, AppImage) as a simplified, performant alternative to Waydroid for key missing apps.
• Missing cloud application for notes (e.g., Nextcloud integration).
• Shared clipboard – Missing the shared clipboard feature found in iOS/Android+KDE Connect.
• Extremely unreliable QR code reader.

@fredldotme
what about bluez data and system logs?
/etc/shadow so an attacker can't substitute their password?

List of Apps for Human Beings:

futify - Despite all the hate, I love it
dekko - same as above

List of Human Beings:

I could list all the hard workers where one of them will definitely win (Marius, Alfred, Ratchanan, Sunweaver, Jami, NotKit, Danfro, Capsia,..)
but I will be biased and mention those who personally wasted a lot of time with me on chat (unfortunately I will leave out people like all wilfridd, x.Dub, jmlich,..)

lduboeuf - for all the time he spent with me debugging bugs in the SMS and Calendar apps

Vlad Nirki - for the time spent debugging at the beginning of the year, to make VoLTE work on miatoll

hello, i would like to ask, is there any progress on pinetab2?
i am currently stucked on few years old 20.04 installation, and i would love to have 24.04 version in there with all its features

this device is really usable (not joking), for example for kids to learn on keyboard or to play some basic games like gcompris to learn&play

thanks for any info
Kind regards,
Adam H

Ubuntu Touch isnt much known to be still alive, i think that it needs more social network visibility, ideally not only those for nerds (masodon) but also having news on platforms where normal people are (fb?)

@gpatel-fr

While I don't have a formal, tangible report to cite, my practical experience dealing with a network of around a hundred devices daily at my company confirms this: Android, iOS, and macOS absolutely randomize their MAC addresses. This behavior makes reliable device tracking within the company difficult, though it admittedly ensures a better degree of anonymity for our users.

https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/wifi-mac-randomization-behavior

https://support.apple.com/en-us/102509
By default, your device improves privacy by using a different MAC address for each Wi-Fi network.

@nielsbasjes mac random addresses are now pretty much a standart, it would be great if this implementation is shipped on our system by default , if you manage to get this working and send it upstream, that’d be awesome

@libremax yess, spread the knowledge! very nice video

what a waste of time reading this AI slop

I saw that the FSF is working on this Librephone project. Do you think it could help Ubuntu Touch in any way? Maybe UBports should team up with them?

this is the procedure https://gitlab.com/ubports/development/core/ubuntu-touch-session/-/issues/22#note_2475632676

I would recommend understanding what happens with individual commands and just flipping the logic.

@RJDan

provide us with important applications that can be easily installed (one-click in the store), are safe (not random code from a random stranger with a random license), and have all the essential functionalities. I am willing to pay some money, let's say for fully functional Firefox, fully functional MS Teams, Slack, Spotify,... but mainly, they should not be outdated or unupdated, and the microphone, camera, keyboard, and clipboard should work. I know it sounds like a lot, but theoretically, it could just be an integration of Snap/Flatpak into the store.

but that no bug bounty, that is more like fundraising

so with our device we are in a state where we are able to use it with noble (24.04) and this has been around since January,
we have tested that the partition for joyeuse must necessarily be increased in size, before approving this change
i would like to request testing on other devices (curtana, excalibur, gram) so if anyone has a spare phone,
or you are brave enough to test noble, whether you are able to install noble with this change using the following commands

wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ubports/installer-configs/fd9802a07cf67d489a78331af3426c416c677f23/v2/devices/miatoll.yml
./ubports-installer_0.10.0_linux_x86_64.AppImage -f ./miatoll.yml 

The only goal is to test if the increase in size doesn't break anything other than joyeuse
thanks

@Talkless same here, when i need navigation, i use osmand+

unav and puremaps are not usable, issues with missing gps signal in app (but other apps in same time can show my location), crashing or freezing and after some application switching

@lsitongia do you have correct android version?

what is my device?
adb shell getprop ro.product.name
should print like "joyeuse_global"

adb shell getprop | grep incremental
should print

[ro.system.build.version.incremental]: [832]
[ro.build.version.incremental]: [832]
[ro.odm.build.version.incremental]: [V12.0.2.0.QJZMIXM]
[ro.vendor.build.version.incremental]: [V12.0.2.0.QJZMIXM]

@Vlad-Nirky I did, but that is offtopic

@mjosenhans I would not say its caused by any new changes, i dont have waydroid stop icon since instalation of my device, that is at least one year now