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@Keneda Most other countries are used to non-localized keyboards and the difference isn't so big in many cases.
But when I had the missfortune of having to deal with an AZERTY keyboard as a work laptop, I got a nice QWERTY sticker-pack to glue on the keys. Maybe that is something to consider @PINE64 ? Testing a few sticker-packs and selling the best fitting one on the shop?
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@PINE64 Thanks for clarifying. Another quick question if I may? With this first run being an "early adopter" edition, and the PineTab being less complex than the PinePhone, will the community edition roll around sooner than it did with the PinePhone ommunity edition? Is there an approximate ETA?
Thanks.
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@PINE64 That's good to know, and wasn't meant to be a criticism, just a technical question. Happily awaiting the order window to open.
You can sign me up for a Pinetab Pro if you decide to do one. I have an RK3399 Chrome Tablet that works really nice. But I'd much rather have one made by Pine64.
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@PINE64 Thank you for the information. I'm sure you'll do your best.
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Yeah, I think it's unfair to expect Pine64 to provide wide variation/configuration on their products. They're not big of a company and actually donates some of their profits to other projects. Anyway, to me keyboard layout is not a big deal because I'm used to use English layout anyway
But hey, I'm using a German layout keyboard right now, my work laptop, and I'm using it fine in English mode 
@PINE64 May I know which unit version did Marius use in the demo video? Is it the dev version with 1GB of RAM?
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@kugiigi said in PineTab Anyone?:
@PINE64 May I know which unit version did Marius use in the demo video? Is it the dev version with 1GB of RAM?
Yes, Lukasz said that on twitter.
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@Loops - I think that production PineTabs will be available in less time than production PinePhones due to the lower complexity of the device, yes. It may in fact be the case that this PCBA revision is final - we don't know this yet however. Regardless, small tweaks for efficiency or aesthetics are likely to follow in future batches.
@kugiigi - Marius was using a (terribly crude and hand assembled)
1GB dev version of the Tablet in the video[edit] 2GB version. I also believe that his demo ran from a SD card and not internal eMMC flash. Answering your implicit question: you can expect the production version to run slightly better due to more RAM + running from eMMC -
@PINE64 Yes, that's actually what I'm going to say. if it only has 1GB of RAM then the demo video becomes much more impressive. I did not see serious slow downs and not even crashes on it. I would expect something like that would have happened on a bq E5 which also has 1 GB of RAM
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@kugiigi ... also do keep in mind these are Lima GPU drivers, under constant development. There are also tweaks to be made to other components and their kernel / dts settings. The PineTab will never be a speed-demon, but will ultimately perform (much) better than shown in the video.
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@kugiigi said in PineTab Anyone?:
Yeah, I think it's unfair to expect Pine64 to provide wide variation/configuration on their products.
It's only a keyboard layout dude...
We, unfair people, are even willing to pay an extra (i.e 20 box) for having this.And such unfair option can be achieved in a simple way like making blank keyboards pine devices, and then printing the final layout in pine64 facilities, or even, like mentionned before, a good quality sticker layout.
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@Keneda said in PineTab Anyone?:
And such unfair option can be achieved
No need to be rude and imply things.
We all get your point but you don't know the specifics. So if @PINE64 tells that it costs and is not a deal breaker for most people you'll have to trust it.@poVoq made a suggestion and depending on Pine64's answer to that you'll have to find a sticker pack or deal with a qwerty keyboard.
Please don't make it personal, I know English is not your native language and maybe things got lost in translation, but watch your tone.
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@Keneda I'm not int he business so I can't really say how simple it is but they already mentioned the reasons here and I believe them so in my understanding, it's not simple.
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The internet is full of businesses selling keyboard sticker packs for alternative languages and layouts. I don't see any reason why Pine64 should need to take on distraction of doing this.
Yes, it's nice to have a keyboard that is printed with one's preferred layout, but Pine64 is a small company who must maintain a streamlined product lineup in order to turn a profit.
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For the PBP we have considered both key cap stickers and empty keyboards which users could populate according to their need (the controller is open sourced, so you can program it to do whatever you wish). Not completely sure if either is really feasible with Pinetab keyboard ... would have to check.
Regardless, on a fundamental level the problem with both options is user-error and subsequent support nightmare for us. This is in general why we refrain from e.g. selling a PinePhone DIY kit ... we know people want to do DIY stuff, and I fully understand why it would be 'fun' to do this sort of stuff, but we also know that if end-users mess something up during assembly, we'll end up drowning in support tickets. Keyboard sticker sets and really delicate cap-hinges seem like something that will break frequently.
... You are welcome to try to convince me otherwise of course.
Open. Friendly. Community Driven.
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I will definitely be getting this one, will it have the UB Touch logo?
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@ToxyPoxy
You made me laughI don't know if you were serious or not.
But people usually use the back camera more...IMO tablets shouldn't have camera because it's not a way to take photos and because selfies should be illegal.
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@AppLee
Hehe I was dead serious
I have never understood using a tablet for taking photos but you are probably right about this one. I would only be using the front camera for video calls, selfies not so much -
@AppLee said in PineTab Anyone?:
But people usually use the back camera more...
On a Tablet?
I don't think most people go around taking photos with there tablets, I think people want better front cameras, because on a tablet you're more likely to use it, when you're video calling family or friends, you know.
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@PhoenixLandPirat
Have you ever been in an overcrowded touristic spot ?
You'll see buses with a lot of old tourists and as unhealthy as it is elders love tablets to take pictures.They like it because they can see what they are shooting at and that is something I learned from an elder person next to me at grand canyon.
But I tend to agree with you regarding the prospects for the PineTab, but if some of you are like me you might want to purchase one for your old people so you can troubleshoot them more easily than with an Android tablet, so ...
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@PINE64 said in PineTab Anyone?:
For the PBP we have considered both key cap stickers and empty keyboards which users could populate according to their need (the controller is open sourced, so you can program it to do whatever you wish). Not completely sure if either is really feasible with Pinetab keyboard ... would have to check.
Regardless, on a fundamental level the problem with both options is user-error and subsequent support nightmare for us. This is in general why we refrain from e.g. selling a PinePhone DIY kit ... we know people want to do DIY stuff, and I fully understand why it would be 'fun' to do this sort of stuff, but we also know that if end-users mess something up during assembly, we'll end up drowning in support tickets. Keyboard sticker sets and really delicate cap-hinges seem like something that will break frequently.
... You are welcome to try to convince me otherwise of course.
There are also these silicone protective covers that come with different key layouts. No glue or assebmbly required as they just lay on top of the keyboard.
But you would probably need a custom made one as it has to fit the keyboard exactly.
But these are also nice to keep the keyboard clean...
