Few thoughts regarding coming back after several years
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@ktatar156 I agree completely.
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@ktatar156 maybe here is something, which solves the google mail issue:
https://forums.ubports.com/topic/7874/can-t-create-gmail-account-in-dekko?_=1673008816411 -
@ktatar156 Interesting. You may arrive at some break point in time with Google things and focused on moving to Focal (which is a tonne of work). Then it will come the rest.
- Mail: You could use Dekko. It works perfectly with all standard email accounts. Gmail is being worked on (again).
- Contacts: Work is being done and there are workarounds, export and import the agendas.
- GPS works in UT. Android apps are an additional non-UT feature I would say.
- Firefox: it is difficult to port by the way is designed (I believe), I know you said you can't code but you could try finding a group of coder instead. I know is difficult but that's how some other random projects got developed (waydroid is an example)
- Webapps: people insist in making those even if discouraged. You can filter the apps by native if you like.
- Outdated apps: well, that has a more difficult solution. Some things you could try is poking the developers, ask for ownership, create a developing group...
But I would say it is not fair going away, come back and expect someone else did the work you request.
Another planet, another time, another universe!
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@ktatar156 You are not comparing like with like. When Canonical were running the development they had full time paid engineers working on it. It was good, but there were lots of things that did not work right.... or at all.
Since then the development has been handed over to (mostly) umpaid engineers working in their spare time. UBPorts have managed to fund raise to get some paid developers in to work on the harder stuff. They managed to move the OS from 15.04 to 16.04 which was a massive achievement. Every OTA delivered performance improvements and the odd fix here and there. I still have an old Aquaris E5 running the last version released by Canonical. It sort of still works but it is so slow and a lot of things just stopped working over time as software moved on. UBPorts managed to fix most of these issues.
They are currently working on 20.04 and the initial results sound very encouraging. Hang around for a bit and enjoy the ride!
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@ian @CiberSheep Guys, don't understand me wrong - I'm not arguing that there is a bad job done around UT, I just shared my personal thoughts after several years of gap in using UT.
I adore this project, but I wanted to show that there are some things that should already (after those years...) work without workarounds that could affects safety of our data (e.g. Gmail or Contacts sync).
We have very limited coding resources so we should maybe start discussion where we should put effort to attract more developers?
In my opinion, there should be put more effort over:
- Waydroid (to replace lack of native apps (only the most needed/used, like bank apps, Google Maps, food delivery (Uber Eats or similar), Spotify or Netflix and other media streaming services) for now.
- Firefox - as mentioned before, in my opinion (from the user perspective) it could be better way to port it (maybe from Firefox android app?), instead of maintaining additional app. I'm aware of that, from the developer perspective, it is a completely different matter.
- Working sync for most popular services like Google or iCloud (contacts, calendar, mail, photos and file sharing/drive) - most of people would like to have additional backup in these, and on the top of that, have an opportunity to migrate data easily and sync between devices.
@cibersheep said in Few thoughts regarding coming back after several years:
But I would say it is not fair going away, come back and expect someone else did the work you request.
I'm familiar with open source movement and volunteering (also in 'real' life) - I'm the last person that could demand anything - because, among others, I understand the idea that stands behind all of that. I'm only showing my observations, perspective and presenting my opinion over these topics - not to complaint, but to make UT better and more attractive for users.
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@ktatar156 You have every right to perceive UT that way. Although UT is great because otherwise I wouldn't be interested in it for a long time, we are still at the stage of the rabbit trying to catch up with the hare (always gaps to be filled permanently and problems to be solved), maybe on the non-developer user side, but even more on the side of the few developers who take all the pressure on their shoulders. It needed a solid base for UT to make great progress : with FOCAL, it's about to happen.
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@domubpkm Thanks for your message
And just curious, what Focal version will change? (I know that is a new base for the whole OS, but from the new features / usage of UT?).
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@ktatar156 said in Few thoughts regarding coming back after several years:
Is there any features lists available
No, I do not think there is a list.. You will have to be curious and search under github and gitlab with what is related to UT. On the other hand, there is a big list of things required !! https://forums.ubports.com/topic/4754/wish-list-which-apps-do-you-need?lang=en-GB
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@ktatar156 This is the link to Waydroid group https://t.me/waydroidonut which I am sure you know is a completely sperate project UT Development wise. Might be a good place to keep up with progress.
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I don't understand why people want to change from iOS/Android to UT but on the other hand still want to use all their services. In my opinion one effort of UT is, that you don't have to use accounts and services from these big companies and still have a functional and free phone in your hand.
BQ Aquaris E4.5 (UT 16.04)
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@kristatos Just because I would like to have ANY working cloud backup of my data (photos, files, contacts).
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I am not going to react to the majority of the content here as it has been commented on already. So just a few bits:
As for Waydroid + GPS, it works for me. I can run maps, uber etc. in the Android emulator just fine and GPS works there. The only thing I do experience is that once I launch Waydroid GPS no longer works in UT and I have to restart the phone. I am thinking if it could be something device specific then.
As for Google contact sync, yes, that is sadly broken since approx. February 2022 from what I remember: https://gitlab.com/ubports/development/core/address-book-app/-/issues/201
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@kristatos Sadly some governments/cities/banks basically force you to use their Android or iOS apps or rely on WhatsApp if you want to talk to them. We do not live in an ideal world and I've been very lucky Waydroid got to UT when it got as if I didn't have that choice I would have to switch to Android just because of that. And surely I would stop using UT if I only had a phone with it laying all the time somewhere home.
Unless you only meant services/accounts like Google drive, mail, contacts/calendar sync etc. But even there I am not on the same boat. Google is nowadays just another terrible corporate company, so I am not fond of them. However it is quite convenient to use their services. I could opt in for another provider but that wouldn't have to be an advantage. And I don't want to rely on my own server as I would surely lose all data plus I would have to take care of it.
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@cibersheep said in Few thoughts regarding coming back after several years:
Mail: You could use Dekko. It works perfectly with all standard email accounts. Gmail is being worked on (again).
Dekko works, but it would definetly need some love.
For instance there is no contact list.
Still experimental and no update for almost 2 years.Don't get me wrong, i know this is huge task to maintain such a complex app, and i'm glad there is at least one email app working quite well.
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@keneda Maintaining an efficient email client is practically a full-time job. Mission almost impossible for volunteering.
What seems more likely is to make the browser stronger and quickly fix its few major issues (DNS leaks and WebRTC leaks).
And it is absolutely necessary that Webber continues to operate under focal...
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@ktatar156 said in Few thoughts regarding coming back after several years:
@kristatos Just because I would like to have ANY working cloud backup of my data (photos, files, contacts).
The ideal solution would be that Ubuntu Community will set-up their own paid cloud (aka Ubuntu One) that could sync data.There is nothing stopping you from setting up your own cloud server.
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@ktatar156 said in Few thoughts regarding coming back after several years:
In my opinion, there should be put more effort over:
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2. Firefox - as mentioned before, in my opinion (from the user perspective) it could be better way to port it (maybe from Firefox android app?), instead of maintaining additional app. I'm aware of that, from the developer perspective, it is a completely different matter.The only way this would be significantly better than the present situation is if Mozilla themselves would officially support UT. Otherwise the burden of maintainance and catching up would be on some community member and we would still be having complaints that the browser does not support the latest features. Adapting Firefox to integrate with UT features such as Content Hub and Media Hub and also getting it to play nice with our display server requires work and maintainance, especially if upstream would not want to carry the needed patches.
Morph is based on QtWebEngine, which is a stripped down Chromium and is maintained by QT, and integrates better with the rest of the platform out of the box.
Having said all of that, anyone, and I mean absolutely anyone is free to jump in and put in the work needed to get Firefox to integrate with UT. It might be time that all the members who want to see this happen, get together, start a fundraiser and hire a developer, or something instead of repeatedly expressing this desire, or worse, saying this should be done instead of something else. Those who do not code, do not get to dictate what those who do code will spend their time on. You want something done, organise to get it done. That is how open source works.- Working sync for most popular services like Google or iCloud (contacts, calendar, mail, photos and file sharing/drive) - most of people would like to have additional backup in these, and on the top of that, have an opportunity to migrate data easily and sync between devices.
Yes, and when these proprietary systems change access to their services locking us out, or at least making it necessary for us to play catch up, we will be right back where we are at the moment.
Better would be to use a solution which is opensource friendly such as NextCloud or such. There are community members exploring such options.
I'm familiar with open source movement and volunteering (also in 'real' life) - I'm the last person that could demand anything - because, among others, I understand the idea that stands behind all of that. I'm only showing my observations, perspective and presenting my opinion over these topics - not to complaint, but to make UT better and more attractive for users.
Your desire to help the project is noted. But the way you are approaching the subject is not the best way to go about it.
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Hi @zubozrout and @ktatar156,
Despite all the arguments that your and also the above posts contain, which for me contain nothing but conveniences, it in no way gives you permission to express yourself so condescendingly about the work of such a small group of people who do great things here.
And please remember that you are not the only ones, it happens every 3 to 7 weeks that we have to endure such complaints here.Because for the amenities you are looking for, there is also eOS and others.
Sorry, but I had to give myself breathing room, because my device is first and foremost; simply a phone, over which I am the <master/woman)>. And for that I love the makers and helpers of Ubports with their OS Ubuntu Touch.
With love Mario
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@mario-ch hmm, did I do any of the things you accuse me of? I am quite fond of UT and I am more than aware of how complex a development of it is. What I am not aware of is that I would ever say anything that would be "condescending" towards the whole project or the people here.
So I wonder how you got to that judgment
Perhaps it was me saying I am glad we now have Waydroid which allowed me to continue using UT in nowadays world? But that is more of a "phew, I am happy I can stay with UT and spin up Android when needed even if I am traveling etc..."
I have absolutely nothing to criticise. It is not my place (you are correct about that, but I don't think I do that) plus UT is well usable for my case.
