Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?

[danfro]

@dtarrant sad to hear about this bad experience. I am running my OP5T as daily and a dev device Xperia X with focal. I don't even remember what Xenial might look like.

Focal was definitely a bit of a rough ride early last year, but is considered stable now. I personally would always suggest do a backup and a clean new install. But yeah, some devices may work better than others.

[dtarrant]

@danfro My OP5T is still on xenial and works fine. I use it for phone calls and love it. No need to upgrade, everything works! Camera, rotation, screenshots.
I'm writing this on a Galaxy A51 and it's absurdly complicated. Not intuitive.

[usah]

nexus5
also apps like https://open-store.io/app/wifiscanner.arubislander could be upgraded

[domubpkm]

Unfortunately, you have to be aware that morph-browser under xenial will become more and more deprecated due to the fact that qtwebengine is no longer updated at all: more and more sites will become difficult if not impossible to consult. Going under focal is inevitable.

[kugiigi]

@matteo I think the main known quirk is with reinstalling or updating apps. It can be a hassle especially if it affects many apps and you have many apps but once you fix them, they'll always work. The reliable way to fix them is to uninstall first and/or reboot. App data are retained when uninstalling. Aside from that, I'm not aware if any annoying issues.

As for apps, I guess it really depends how much you need them. But if you really need them, it might even be possible to compile or request someone to do it.

In my opinion, it is worth y
upgrading especially if you use it for browsing since QtWebEngine isn't updated anymore and sites will start to stop working. I mean even in focal, some sites are already acting up like kickstarter

[MrT10001]

@danfro I have multiple devices, some are on focal, some still on Xenial.

Xenial just works on some of them and works well. A good example is the OPO, it is very good on Xenial OTA-25.

Likewise I am not binning older devices such as the Nexus 7 (deb and flo) as, again it is a working tablet on Xenial and won't make the jump to focal without a lot of work.

There are others and it is much the same.

[Lakotaubp]

@matteo I moved my 3a to Focal using the installer some time ago. If you Do Not select the wipe option and then use the reinstall all apps option from system settings after you are on Focal the 3a works very well on Focal. It's been quite a time so can't remember if there many glitches that needed fixing but it is really great.
The main thing is not to go back to Xenial later. That does cause issues. You could copy all your files music etc to a pc/laptop first to be really sure then copy them back should you need to.

[wilfridd]

@danfro , some of my old buddies like Meizu (MX4, PRO5 - what a nice one!-) and N5 will stay on Xenial obviously.
Since Waydroid support on UT was a game changer I moved to RN9P.
As @matteo said, because some nice apps that I use daily were not available on Focal, it's only recently I've migrated to Focal. About mid January, after I could compile a successful version of "Indicator Weather" and my MR for it has been approved.
I've also raised MR for other apps like CryptoPrice and Activity Tracker, the app's Dev still need to approve it though
@usah I'm currently working on upgrading Wifiscanner. I might have some outcome soon or later

[arubislander]

Hi @usah glad to hear you use and like the wifi scanner app. I am not the original creator of the app. I simply recompiled it for Xenial when that came out. And that turned out to work perfectly
Unfortunately the same trick did not work going to Focal. The app does compile and start up, but it is not able to show any signal. I have also not been able to investigate the issue.
I might need to make a dedicated forum post asking for help with this.

[Moem]

@danfro said in Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?:

I am running my OP5T as daily

So am I, and I upgraded to Focal through the updater; unfortunately, all is not well. The system is buggy and unstable. I will probably need to do a clean installation to fix that and I'm slowly gathering courage to bite the bullet and reinstall. The current lack of a good and GUI based backup method is my main issue here.

[GT]

Hi, thanks for the question. I am still using Xenial on Volla 22. I have not yet upgraded to Focal, because I use the phone as a daily driver and I am lacking information what will be not working anymore after the upgrade. Lack of information is the main problem for me.

There are at least three sources to figure out what will not work with the Volla 22 on Focal [1],[2],[3] and they are not encouraging, although I am not sure whether some information is outdated.

For example, source [1] tells me that on Focal "Cellular data is not available on SIM 2 when two are inserted". If this is still correct, this would be a problem for me.

For example, source [2] did not give much information whether it is safe to upgrade to Focal, and I am not sure whether the problem with Telegram still exists that messages / settings do not get transferred correctly to Focal.

For example, source [3] does not yet give information on OTA-4 and it is unclear what of the "Known Issues" still exist.

Additionally to that, I have data in the "Notes" app which has not yet been ported to Focal.

[1] https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/mimameid
[2] https://forum.volla.online/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=997
[3] https://github.com/HelloVolla/ubuntu-touch-beta-tests/wiki/Release-notes

[Keneda]

None of my devices have a focal port.

[domubpkm]

@Keneda do you hesitate to buy a focal compatible smartphone ?

[wilfridd]

@arubislander said in Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?:

Hi @usah glad to hear you use and like the wifi scanner app. I am not the original creator of the app. I simply recompiled it for Xenial when that came out. And that turned out to work perfectly
Unfortunately the same trick did not work going to Focal. The app does compile and start up, but it is not able to show any signal. I have also not been able to investigate the issue.
I might need to make a dedicated forum post asking for help with this.

@arubislander , hi same here. I will tell you and push a MR on your repos if i move fwrd.
At first sight, something is going wrong with the wifi scan request

[stanwood]

@danfro I would love to, but my Nexus 5 does not get a compatible Focal port (still hoping it will come one day).

[sven]

@GT said in Focal/20.04 is out for quite a while now. You still use Xenial/16.04? I would like to know what stops you from upgrading?:

For example, source [3] does not yet give information on OTA-4 and it is unclear what of the "Known Issues" still exist.
[3] https://github.com/HelloVolla/ubuntu-touch-beta-tests/wiki/Release-notes

I opened an issue on github, and the founder of Volla fixed it just now - somehow ...

[jezek]

The FP2 I own, has no focal port. In this post there was a claim, that it is possible to run focal on FP2, but no one told how. If there was an focal port, I would probably run it.

[MrT10001]

Is this question because of this which is a long time coming.

The devices I have are:

Google Nexus 4 - Xenial - works well
Google Nexus 5 - Xenial - works well
Google nexus 5X - Xenial - loads of issues
Google Nexus 6P - Xenial - works
Google Nexus 7 (flo and deb) Xenial - works
Google Pixel 2 - Xenial - works
Google Pixel 3a - Focal - works well
Google Pixel 3aXL - focal - works well

Motorola Moto E2 XT1524 - Xenial - loads of issues

Asus Zenfone Max Pro M1 - Focal -works quite well

Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 - focal -works
Xiaomi Redmi Note 7 - Xenial - works really well (my go to UT device)
Xiaomi Pocophone M1 - Xenial - lots of issues
Xiaomi Redmi 9 Pro - Focal - works really well
Xiaomi Redmi 9 - Xenial - works (poor battery life)
Xiaomi Redmi 4X - Xenial - works?
Xiaomi Redmi 3X/3S - Xenial - loads of issues
Xiaomi Redmi 7 - Xenial -works with issues, but a really nice screen

OnePlus One - Xenial - works really well, another go to device
OnePlus One - Focal - issues, but thanls to @TheVancedGamer doing stuff for development when he has time
OnePlus two - Xenial - loads of issues
OnePlus Three and ThreeT - Xenial - works fine, just a slippery phone, needs a case.
OnePlus Five and FiveT - Focal - One of the best and easiest devices to install UT on, there are issues, but it works for me
One Plus Six and SixT - Focal - again and easy one to install on, but does have issues.

Samsung S3 Neo -Xenial - works with issues
Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge - Xenial and now Focal - so nice, have issues, but mainly work

And of course my Original BQ Aquaris E4.5 on Xenial that is still going strong after much use.

Then there is my Lenovo Tabs
TB-X605F on Xenial, works, but the booting issue
TB-X605F/L on Focal which works apart from the camera (don't use camera on a tablet)

TB-X306F - Focal - nice, not on the installer, but works for me!

I fixed a lot of these devices up, especially broken screens, buttons and battery replacement. Some I don't just to use as scratch devices to try Android ROMs.

I spread the word about UT as much as I can, but too many are hooked to there Iphones and Samsungs, which for repair are appallingly bad, and Iphones are Ewaste when iOS is ended on the device.

So the question, what stops me from upgrading:
some devices are too old for the upgrade
Some devices work well on Xenial and not so on Focal, but I try and have scratch devices to test, (mainly for me at the moment).
some devices just die (nexus 5 commits suicide by bootloop due to a design flaw on the eMMC getting toasty).

[magnargj]

Only thing I miss from xenial is hutspot https://github.com/wdehoog/hutspot-ut/releases
Or rather a way of channeling spotify to my livingroom hifi system. Also that focal doesn't have the tweak tool in order to keep apps awake, I miss.
But it is a patience game, isn't it? Not complaining, and really happy that I can live without android and ios.

[RobTheBold]

I've got an OPO (bacon) still running Xenial. I didn't know Focal was available on this device until now -- I thought it wasn't gonna happen, and hadn't checked lately.

But the OPO is no longer a phone here in the US, so I use it as a tiny tablet. I've got it set up how I like it, and I really don't want to find out what apps I like don't translate to Focal. Sometimes I let my kid play games on it while waiting for the dentist or whatever, and I suspect not all of those will have made the transition.