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@Lakotaubp said in "UbuntuTouch" name:

@tigerpro I'm afraid calling it “Ultimate Touch” might attract the wrong sort of attention : )

Super Smash Bros Ultimate Touch.

Personally I'm not a big fan of the idea, to me it seems far to android-y.

I like Ubuntu touch because it's Ubuntu touch, and I like it's personality.

I don't mind some ideas, but I do much prefer the style of homepage that I've seen before.

I'll try and find it, but it looked a bit like the today scope, except only had the weather and some apps.

Personally, I think the homescreen would be nice if it you could edit a bit more, if you could have your weather, your row of apps, your row of music or friends or what ever you want, but I think it needs to keep the unique feel, I think if it wants to, it can be a bit more KDE or gnome inspired.

There's a Android launcher which basically adds the windows 10 start button to your phone, I don't mind it, as it feels decent to me, but it's just windows 10 styled, I think we would be better imitating that, as it seems more like our kind of feeling than Android default.

Another problem I see, is that you swipe from the left to get your launcher, then you pull it all the way to get home, then you pull down from the bottom to access all apps.

The app draw means, you pull it from left to right slightly, you have your pinned apps, you pull it more and you have all your apps.

It's quicker and more responsive, it might not be editable at the moment, but my opinion is that, you've got the coding skills, I bet you could make the app draw look and feel amazing and add new ability's to it, and make it keep it in the feeling and style of Ubuntu touch.

That's just my opinion on the matter.

Did someone say pinephone?! How is the progress with the pinephone? What things will be fixed, or will still be broken when we move to the new kernel?

With qt 5.12 and the Lomiri work with manjaro, will we see more cross platform app development? Will we see more click apps on the manjaro base, will we see more plasma apps on Ubuntu Touch, etc, or will there still be to many differences, such as Ubuntus life cycle, and that some kde apps (neochat for example) and Manjaro using qt 5.15, and different package management on different platforms?

Are there efforts between different projects, to try and minimise fragmentation?

@AppLee said in PineTab Anyone?:

But people usually use the back camera more...

On a Tablet?

I don't think most people go around taking photos with there tablets, I think people want better front cameras, because on a tablet you're more likely to use it, when you're video calling family or friends, you know.

What we have:

• Signal
  Theres a beta app called axolotl, which allows conversations over the signal protocal
  https://open-store.io/app/textsecure.nanuc

• Dekko
  Dekko does have multi-account support
  https://open-store.io/app/dekko2.dekkoproject

• GPS
  we have the feature, IDK how well it works, depends on device I guess, but wont be as accurate as Google.

• Nextcloud
  We have multiple apps for Nextcloud, we have a news app, notes app, calendar, and some others, however we have no full sync option, you cant for example sync your music folder to your nextcloud account.

• adblock
  We have a separate app for ad blocking, this means every ad in every app will be blocked however, it doesn't allow you to pick and choose which apps or websites get a free pass.
  https://open-store.io/app/uadblock.mariogrip

What doesnt work.

• Whatsapp
  There are only 3 ways to message people using whatsapp on Ubuntu Touch, but both require having whatsapp on a android or ios device. One way is by using a whatsapp webapp, which wont give you notifications, or you could set up a matrix bridge, which would give you notifications via fluffychat, but it'd cost you, and you'd have to set it up,

Theres also the option of anbox, but thats more of a future plan for android apps on Ubuntu Touch.
https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1676/development-testers-for-anbox

• Syncing
  we have no app that syncs/backups, this is partially due to background services and confinement not being flexible enough to allow for a syncing app in the OpenStore.

For device specifics, I couldn't tell you how well any of them work, I only have a OPO and OP3 running Ubuntu Touch.

There has been some more interest in Podbird and what we should do with it moving forward, it was suggested to make a forum post about it so thats what this forums about!

Now that we have arm64 builds in the ubports installer, it's a lot easier for people to install and test arm64 applications.

If anyone has any apps they'd like to be tested on arm64 please reply here with a file/link to a file.

This may also be a good place to talk about hurdles compiling apps for arm64.

Thanks you

@3arn0wl @andybleaden
The pinephone is very exciting in deed! I can't wait to actually try it out, its cheep enough for most people that they can grab one without worrying to much about their bottom line, as well which is great!

@andybleaden @Stefano
The OP3 port is looking amazing, cant wait to see it in the official installer, for anyone with a OP3 to easily install.
I think the OP5 is gonna be worked on after that, but I'm not sure since it's Vince's main device atm, and I believe that Treble is still an issue.

I'm a big fan of the OnePlus devices personally, and the more OnePlus devices with an ubuntu port, the better, I hope that Halium gets support for newer versions of android, so we can get a convergence OnePlus device with MHL out, but thats a distant future it seems.

@makeixo If you can get devs together to do that then sure, but the people porting these devices are volunteers, they're using phones they bought themselves, and phones they want to see Ubuntu Touch on.

People have busy lives, it only takes a new relationship, a change in job, or a new family member, for volunteering to become something they cant do, or have to strip back a lot.

Then there's also the fact that if we all came to a decision on what phone we should port to (Which is unlikely, because everyone has a different favorite device), then the volunteers would have to go out of there way to purchase said device, which may not be viable for many people.

Even with that considered, the community will also want a say, and people might want Ubuntu Touch to be ported to the OnePlus 7 Pro, or the Samsung galaxy 10 note, both which cant be ported to yet, because Halium doesn't support android 8/9 (not sure about android 7), but they might want Ubuntu touch ported to those devices, because they're high end, top of the line, phones, which ubuntu touch will fly on, and will be great convergence devices.

However, the community might also say that they want Ubuntu Touch ported to a wileyfox phone, or a cheaper huawei because the cheaper a device is, the easier it is for someone to purchase said devices.

Everyone is different, and everyone prefers different devices, for different reasons, and sometimes things will get started, and not finished, and thats just life, especially when you're dealing with volunteers.

@Marathon2422 that should make lomiri look fine, but any apps should look GIGANTIC!

On Telegram someone said that they'd put some time and effort in, if it was hosted on github or gitlab, if there hadn't been any update, for a very long time, I wouldn't mind the idea of rehosting it, but I'm hesident to rehost the code if the original people are still wanting to work on it.

It'd feel like stealing there project, but if its not them working on it, and people would much prefer to host on github or gitlab, then it'd be good if we could get in contact with either Michael Sheldon, or Nekhelesh Ramananthan, and see what they think.

They might give us the go ahead to just rehost and still use the name and logo, etc, etc, or they may require us to rename the app since it would be hosted by different people?

I think it'd be wise to get in contact with them before we do any heavy lifting if that's the road we wish to take.

This is absolutely amazing!

I know its not finished, but I do have a few suggestions.

• The weather widget asks for you to configure it, which is fine, however, some people wont want to have to sign up to get an API key, if someone wants the weather, they'll have to, but if they don't care about the weather app, it just looks a bit awkward, so it'd be nice to be able to remove it, which is part of my next suggestion.

• Customization, this launcher, makes me think of a more advanced version of the OnePlus swipe to the left launcher thing, you can move the widgets around to where ever you want, you can extend widgets, or make them smaller, you can add notes (For example the todo "scope" for lack of better term, could just be a widget on the home screen) you can even add media widgets for play and pausing media, its not necessary since you can do that in your indicator or notification menu, but some people do use widgets for this, so it'd be nice to be able to do that, so basically, the ability to have smaller versions of the "scopes" that have seperate pages" and more intractable widgets.

• Tapping on contacts faces, it flips over and quickly gives you a call or text option, depending on scale, this could be tricky to tap the right one accurately, in my opinion, I think tapping the contact should open the app its from, if the contact is from contacts, open that, if its from telegram, open the teleports app on that user, etc, and I think that if you long hold, it should then it should bring a pop up, like the one that you get from holding down on applications, with "Name" (which when tapped would take you to contacts) then select-able options (depending on what app they're from) would be SMS/Message, Call, Video Call, then another separator for removing from favorites.

• When you do hold down on a app, you get a pop up, which is good, but I think it'd be good to go with the same design as the one in the dock/launcher, which gives you options to unpin and the such.

• I personally am not a fan of the bottom bit of the UI, it's always there, and the pull up menu in my PO, doesn't look great, I think what would be nice, is if the menu with the little icons for scopes like home and the such, should auto hide, and then a small swipe up would bring it up, a longer swipe up would then bring up the "manage page" and the "configure launcher" icon/option would be in the top right of that page, right next to the + button.

• If you tap the title of a certain section such as "Favourite contacts" it would be nice if it expanded, this could be just to show all your favourite contacts on one screen, or to expand to show all of your contact, but your favourite are segregated to the top, like how the app scope used to, I think it's important from a UX standpoint that this is more of an expansion of the block then opening a new page, so for example, it could work like androids folders where you only see the first icon, you tap it, it expands outwards to show you the content of the folder.

Not quite a suggestion, but are there plans to try and bring more apps/sources in, like old scopes did? JW because I think the gallery scope where it had your pictures at the top, then pictures from your instagram feed, then under that was fb pictures, really helps customize your phone to you, and adds something new to look at every time you opened your phone.

This could be something that developers expand on with things like creating a reddit widget that will show you the latest few posts from your front page, or from a specific reddit sub-reddit, a homepage like this, would make it look uniquely Ubuntu Touch from a UI standpoint, but would make everyone's homescreen unique, interesting, and personal, which is something I loved about scopes.

Sorry if I'm going on to much, and overloading you guys with to many suggestions, I'm only giving so much feedback, because I love it, and am excited for this launchers future, because it looks so amazing, and I love it, and I'm really impressed with it!

This is some great work and you guys should be patting yourselves on the back, thank you for putting so much time and effort into it, its greatly appreciated!

P.S

I don't want ubuntu touch to mimic this UI/UX to much, however, it was a great launcher for Android, and you might get some inspiration for how to improve, or what features you could add to the launcher.

(I like the idea of a different background under the weather, date clock, and the idea of having a "profile picture" for your home screen even if it has little purpose other than personalization.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RperNarleYQ

I dont think we should use "Touch" in/as the name.
Ubuntu Touch was actually just Ubuntu, but people called it Ubuntu Touch because even though convergence was promised, we never got unity 8 to a good enough level to be default on the desktop, otherwise I believe we would have just called it Ubuntu.

We should look at current names of projects

• Android
• iOS
• Windows Phone
• CyanogenOS
• LineageOS

Personally I think we shouldn't have OS or Phone in the name either.
So looking at

• Android
• Sailfish
• Plasma
• Tizen
• FireFox

Desktop

• Ubuntu
• Mint
• Debian

What would sound good in this kind of area?
I don't know, but we'll have to figure something out sometime.

iOS has full disc encryption by default, Ubuntu Touch has no easy way to activate encryption, there is a way to encrypt your home folder using the terminal, but its coversome, we dont have PGP support in Dekko, nore do we have any encrypted messaging app.

Its true that we don't have extra things to spy on you, which iOS and Android do have, but we also don't have extra things to protect you, so as much as I'd love Ubuntu Touch to be the best OS for security, it's not ready for that label yet, when we get easy home encryption, and the ability to either message or email with encryption, then it'll be much closer to that future.

Just wanted to second Kaidan, its not perfect, no group chats, quite a few bugs, but its native qt, works on ubuntu touch, android and plasma mobile, so hopefully it'll gain more contributes.

@povoq There are several core apps that don't have maintainers that don't get updates, or only once in a blue moon, unfortunately.

@Thatoo there are plenty of little niggles for everybody, no video calling application for example, thats important for a lot of people, especially during lockdown.

no notifications from signal, camera doesn't have a lot of advanced features, music playback skips around a bit, bluetooth can be hit or miss, and a million other bugs that you can see on github, many are before the UBports take over.

some issues are more important to others, personally, I use my phone for music all the time, and need it to work when I'm out and about, I can easily import my contacts from a file, and not touch it for months, so cardDav would be useful, it'd only be useful for me on a rare occasion, but music playback affects my daily life.

for you this maybe the other way around, where contacts are always changing , and you never listen to music on the go, and so the music fixes wont affect you.

you also talk about mir and lomiri, contact sync wouldn't matter without mirror and lomiri, because nore you or your mother would beable to get to your contacts even if they where there.

The pinephone and pinetab have a lot of OS porting issues currently to, the core developers focus should be getting the os running well with the hardware working nicely on the PinePhone and PineTab, and then theres focus on other big leaps like the move to Ubuntu 20.04 etc.

other devs can work on the code to fix syncing and bug those who have power to merge the changes, but the core developers have to much on there plate to worry about.

I'm not saying don't ask, and don't try, but ask on the next Q&A forum post and Dalton might be able to direct you to who you should ask, or what the best option for you is when it comes to syncing.

you wont get an answer if you don't ask.

I dont fully ageew with everyones assesment of browser icons.

Many just have a globe and something wrapped around it, such as firefox, sure.

However, internet explorer is just a yellow stripe around a e, the new one is just like a wave of water with a bit of green, chrome is 3 colours around a blue dot, safari is a compass, opera is just a O, brave is just a lion.

For some reason, we all have this idea that a web-browser is something around a globe, but other than firefox, none of the big players use that.

I dont think anyone looks at safari or brave and thinks instinctually “thats a web browser” but every apple user has figured it out.

I think being different is fine because everyones different, and there isnt a standard, if yiu randomly picked up an iPhone, or an android device, and never saw the safari or chrome icon before, youd have no idea which app is suppose to be the web browser.

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