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    MrT10001 @Ian
    last edited by 10 May 2024, 20:30

    @Ian There's about 9 years to go before they switch off 2g/3g in the UK. 5g isn't working so well outside of the metropolitan areas (dire where I reside, and I switched to 4g which works and yes it is android (booo), a requirement for my work).

    Xiaomi Redmi Note 7.... And more...
    I have too many devices...

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      jojumaxx @domubpkm
      last edited by jojumaxx 5 Oct 2024, 21:07 10 May 2024, 21:07

      @domubpkm I'll try desktop mode but I doubt it'll resolve e.g. "Your browser version is too old" problem.
      Posting the issue in the Q&A section might be a good idea, thanks

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        jojumaxx @Ian
        last edited by 10 May 2024, 21:11

        @Ian Yeah, of course I could try Waydroid. But I didn't switch from Android to Linux to emulate Android again...
        How about 4G in the UK? I exclusively use it. Are there even 5G UT phones except the Fairphone?

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          jojumaxx @Moem
          last edited by 10 May 2024, 21:13

          @Moem That would be great. Did they mention any time this could happen? Since this is imminent a "we're planning it for some time in the future" doesn't seem sufficient...

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            jojumaxx @moodroid
            last edited by 10 May 2024, 21:18

            @moodroid Last time I tried that, FF was neither working nor usable since not adapted to small screens and therefore not even completely visible.
            Has that changed by now?

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              moodroid @jojumaxx
              last edited by moodroid 5 Oct 2024, 22:34 10 May 2024, 22:30

              @jojumaxx I think most of those issues were before Focal Fossa. A great tip from @arubislander is to add MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 to the exec in firefox.desktop. Libertine Tweak Tool for scaling and I'm sure there's further improvements that can be made also.

              Sent from Firefox 🙂

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                Moem @jojumaxx
                last edited by 11 May 2024, 07:10

                @jojumaxx said in Browser limits phone usability:

                That would be great. Did they mention any time this could happen?

                No, but it's a 'it's currently working partially, and the features that don't work yet are being worked on' situation, rather than a 'this is in the plans for the future' one.

                Is currently using an Op5t
                Also owns an Op1, a BQ E4.5 and an Xperia X, as well as a BQ tablet and a Pinetab2. Please, someone... make it stop.

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                  domubpkm @Moem
                  last edited by 11 May 2024, 07:44

                  @Moem said in Browser limits phone usability:

                  another browser in the works

                  Hello.
                  Is this a morph update (QtWebEngine) or a real new browser? @Lakotaubp some links about ? Thanks

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                    domubpkm @Ian
                    last edited by 11 May 2024, 08:02

                    @Ian said in Browser limits phone usability:

                    Specifically I can't buy stuff from Screwfix

                    If you use a smartphone running Xenial, obviously, it will no longer work. With my Volla running Focal, I can reach the login page of the French mobile site. But I don't have an account so I won't test further.

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                      Moem @domubpkm
                      last edited by 11 May 2024, 08:07

                      @domubpkm said in Browser limits phone usability:

                      Is this a morph update (QtWebEngine) or a real new browser?

                      A real new browser with a different rendering engine, if i recall correctly. Alfred was talking about it.

                      Is currently using an Op5t
                      Also owns an Op1, a BQ E4.5 and an Xperia X, as well as a BQ tablet and a Pinetab2. Please, someone... make it stop.

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                        Ian @domubpkm
                        last edited by 11 May 2024, 08:26

                        @domubpkm I have a Vollaphone X running Focal OTA 4. I can browse their site and add things to my basket but I am unable to pay. Very frustrating. For those of you not in the UK Screwfix is a suplier of DIY goods.

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                          Bolly @Moem
                          last edited by 11 May 2024, 09:30

                          Hello @Moem

                          @Moem said in Browser limits phone usability:

                          @domubpkm said in Browser limits phone usability:

                          Is this a morph update (QtWebEngine) or a real new browser?

                          A real new browser with a different rendering engine, if i recall correctly. Alfred was talking about it.

                          Could it be this one?

                          https://mastodon.social/@fredldotme/112393573256992836
                          https://mastodon.social/@fredldotme/112394199074682010

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                            Moem @Bolly
                            last edited by Moem 5 Nov 2024, 09:54 11 May 2024, 09:51

                            @Bolly said in Browser limits phone usability:

                            Could it be this one?

                            Yes, I do believe that's it!
                            Be sure not to miss the Q&A tonight, you might hear more 😉

                            Is currently using an Op5t
                            Also owns an Op1, a BQ E4.5 and an Xperia X, as well as a BQ tablet and a Pinetab2. Please, someone... make it stop.

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                              Lakotaubp @domubpkm
                              last edited by 11 May 2024, 14:17

                              @domubpkm Some details in here https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-news-1/post/ubuntu-touch-q-a-139-3924

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                                kugiigi
                                last edited by 13 May 2024, 07:24

                                Sadly this is indeed a major problem right now since UT relies more on the web than the mainstream OSes. The issue with QtWebEngine/Chromium is a tricky thing to fix unless we find a way to move to Qt6 quickly and even then, we'll still have the problem of being always behind.
                                The browser Alfred is experimenting with is using Webkit which is what Apple uses in Safari and iOS browsers. It's very promising so far and progressing well. I guess it can already be a good workaround on some transactional sites. Currently, it still lacks basic functions though like for example good media playback and even pinch zoom. Hopefully, it can be released soon to the general public as an alternative for sites that are essential to some users that doesn't work properly in Morph anymore.

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                                  jojumaxx @moodroid
                                  last edited by 13 May 2024, 14:29

                                  @moodroid said in Browser limits phone usability:

                                  A great tip from @arubislander is to add MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 to the exec in firefox.desktop

                                  I tried that but noticed no difference.
                                  Can you tell me exactly where to put that (line number) and what effect this is supposed to have?

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                                    moodroid @jojumaxx
                                    last edited by 13 May 2024, 17:40

                                    @jojumaxx Hi

                                    In /home/phablet/.cache/libertine-container/focal/rootfs/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop

                                    replace each occurrence of:
                                    Exec=firefox ...
                                    with:
                                    Exec=env MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 firefox ...

                                    lines 153, 200 and 222

                                    Does that not allow you to do scrolling etc. with the touchscreen?

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                                      domubpkm @kugiigi
                                      last edited by 13 May 2024, 22:41

                                      @kugiigi All one can wish for is, unlike morph and QtWebEngine, simplified updates (much less amount of development work) to ensure continued compatibility of websites.

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                                        uxes
                                        last edited by 14 May 2024, 07:18

                                        this firefox is pretty good https://gitlab.com/debclick/uFirefox/-/jobs/6640346479/artifacts/raw/build/aarch64-linux-gnu/app/firefox.fuseteam_0.4_arm64.click

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                                          jojumaxx @moodroid
                                          last edited by jojumaxx 14 May 2024, 07:40

                                          @moodroid said in Browser limits phone usability:

                                          In /home/phablet/.cache/libertine-container/focal/rootfs/usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop

                                          replace each occurrence of:
                                          Exec=firefox ...
                                          with:
                                          Exec=env MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 firefox ...

                                          lines 153, 200 and 222

                                          Does that not allow you to do scrolling etc. with the touchscreen?

                                          Thank you very much!
                                          I had put "env MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1" after "Exec=firefox..." not before that, so that was probably my mistake. And I missed the first of the three appearances.
                                          I can use the touchscreen now for scrolling etc. That's a great thing! It's pretty smooth in my opinion ☺
                                          The only flaw is, that the onscreen keyboard doesn't always come up e.g. to type a new URL... Switching to another app and back seems to be a workaround.

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