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    • RE: Where does Ubuntu Touch come from? And why clarify it?

      Viability: hmmm, at the moment:
      No voice calls (no VoLTE) on Pixel 3A (which WAS a primary supported phone for UT), on UT in USA (which is the third largest phone market by country, or 4th largest by region, after Europe).
      [alternative: VOIP - NOT available in openstore for most recent version UT]

      That is pretty NON-Viable, if you want a phone you can make calls on.

      Is that the fault of the UT teams ? I would say NO, it is the fault of the much larger system cancelling 2G, 3G, (USA & Australia , etc, now, and changing worldwide, with plans in place over 10 years ago) and the fact that the drivers for the radio chips and most others are closed source or Android or whatever.
      Who would be the ones to fix it ? UT dev teams, if at all.
      Or, what about WiFi calling ? Not functional.
      Is that the fault of UT devs, or other main stream code (from the larger base) being unavailable ?

      OR some phone brands / models NOT supporting required radio bands in some countries. NOT Viable.

      I think PC's are a better analogy than cars, since we are mostly talking software here, not hardware.

      if using cars analogy, could mention how air bag manufacturers caused a huge recall problem for a variety of car manufacturers.

      Q: So, where did UT come from ?
      A: 1) a gigantic base of hardware and software: major players who recently CANCELLED (in some countries, and in process in others) the fundamental ability of UT to make phone calls, through changes to the larger hardware and software system.
      A: 2) a few dedicated, volunteer developers who are doing their best to modify code for specific devices to overcome above obstacles.

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    • RE: Where does Ubuntu Touch come from? And why clarify it?

      For perspective, I just googled 'top 10 core linux facts".
      It pointed out things such as top 500 fastest supercomputers in the world are based on Linux kernel, and over 90% of net infrastructure.

      [When I tell people I want to run 'real' Linux on my phone, and they look at me blankly, I mention things like that, and the fact that android phones run modified linux kernel...]

      Then I googled "top 10 Ubuntu Touch Mobile facts".
      More good info. The more important - comparing to Android - might be 'No data mining'.

      The point I am trying to make with my various comments is to build on / combine the original post, and Arubislander, and others comments.

      Ubuntu Touch mobile would be a stronger healthier community IF there were a few clear graphical pages that new potential users could see, so they quickly understand just how gigantic the Linux base is, and how Android is a part of that and so is UT.

      I think a related point to make is total installs (according to Google): Linux 10 billion (installed devices, all types), iOS 2.5 billion, Windows 1.4 billion monthly users.

      Major problem as I see it, comparing PC & laptops to mobile devices is ease of install on almost ANY PC, (even 15 years old), versus somewhat more difficult install on mobile, and EXTREMELY limited number of USABLE mobile devices.

      Most everyone who has been here a while knows this, but it takes a while for a newbie to figure it out.

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    • RE: Where does Ubuntu Touch come from? And why clarify it?

      @Moem said

      Personally I'd much rather someone create an image themselves, using their own brain and skils.

      Yes, if I had the knowledge, time, and skills.
      The original post listed a large number of contributors for the base of the whole UT system.
      I really had no idea it was so many, before seeing the list !
      Add to that the parts done by UT Mobile core developers - THEY know all those parts, but who besides them ?
      Then add the parts modified by the porters - I imagine they overlap with parts of the above - as relates to specific device hardware.

      So, IF I had that giant list of details (hundreds, thousands ?), I could create a large spreadsheet, fill in all the cells with components, then shade them according to some map key.

      Probably take hours or days, or more.

      I tried Google just to see if it would / could come up with anything, to get an idea.
      To see if the concept might be helpful to people.

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    • RE: Where does Ubuntu Touch come from? And why clarify it?

      @arubislander I think you make good points.
      But I would not call the original post unhelpful.
      After I read that original post, I realized that an image could make this much clearer to all.
      I tried asking Google to create an image (a wall of bricks) representing major components of Ubuntu Touch.
      I asked that it show the parts created by UT developers in a different color from the rest.

      The response was 3 different style groups of prompts for some listed AI systems, which could generate an image.

      I have never tried to give prompts to these type AI systems, so maybe someone here could do that, and post image results.

      after reading arubislander's post, I think it would be good to show that AI 'brick wall' so that all UT components that come from other sources unmodified are shaded green.
      Then anything that UT developers have to modify, or create from scratch, is shown in yellow or red, or something, to show the degree of effort and or the 'criticality' of the effort.
      In other words, the parts, without which, there would be NO UT on portable devices, would be in RED. (and maybe the unmodified stuff could be light yellow, instead of green, so the RED would really contrast).

      ALSO, it might be good for the work of core developers to be a different, deeper shade than device porters.

      It just occurred to me that an image of a tree would probably make more sense than wall or pyramid of bricks.

      Anyone know how to create this, or have a better idea for a graphical representation ?

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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @ChromiumOS-Guy said

      @oldbutndy not really it would help a lot yes but you can use standard reverse engneering software to check it, also engneering roms have unlocked bootloader so you just compare that to the oldest release if an engneering rom exists.

      I actually spent more time looking into this yesterday. I did sequential question search using google AI, and asked about finding a bit to change, etc. The answers sounded reasonable (AI is sometimes very good at that, so I am not sure if all were true ...) For one thing, it said the setting was in special partition. It might have said encrypted. And that the special protection firmware in the T-Mobile models check any changes to that partition. I saved the interaction to a file, but have not edited it for clarity yet.
      But it was convincing enough to completely give up on BE2028, and the Metro model (# ?).

      posted in Oneplus Nord N10
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    • CALLING feature functional quality level required for UT devices page to list feature as functional ?

      Hi, I check devices page weekly (for about 5 weeks), and noticed that Nord N10 5G shows VoLTE as being NOT functional.
      But I have also read and received messages from users in USA who say VoLTE IS functional.
      Is there a specific level of quality or reliability or need to be tested & confirmed by more users, before the devices page is updated to show it as functional ?

      posted in Oneplus Nord N10
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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      idonthatevests said in OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.:

      @oldbutndy > Some N10 models can be unlocked without requesting a vendor key.

      MODEL BE2026 - factory non carrier locked model for USA

      UPDATE: as of 2026 Jan 27, there is a seller on ebay offering MANY factory sealed New-In-Box BE2026.
      Seller has tested a few units, by charging, and batteries seem OK. (100% charged). Replied quickly and thoroughly to my questions so far. GOOD !
      My hesitations: brand new seller (0 feedback as of this morning), no returns, & 2x average price of 10 recent used BE2026 sold over past 45 days on ebay (usually under $100, unless already converted to UT).
      One more hesitation: IF 1+ 8 Pro gets UT port, it would be better for my needs than N10 (faster CPU & wired ext display, etc), so I would rather buy used 8 Pro than new N10, if similar price.

      posted in Oneplus Nord N10
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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @ChromiumOS-Guy said

      @oldbutndy ...
      this is the only thing i can think of short of cracking the phone open and starting to dump chip data, or if you can dump NAND dump from there and try to manually patch firmware directly. (after all theres a boolean somewhere for bootloader unlocked y/n)

      If I had an unlocked BE2026, I could try NAND dump, then change to locked & dump again, then compare the 2 files, & look for single changed bit ?
      Otherwise, how would I know which bit to change on a BE2028 ?

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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @rocket2nfinity said

      @oldbutndy The one from the Devices page, or the manual instructions from his page

      https://onepluscommunityserver.com/list/Unbrick_Tools/OnePlus_Nord_N10_5G/Global_BE86AA/Q/OnePlus_Nord_N10_5G_Global_OxygenOS_10.5.7.zip

      Yes, that is the one I had found & merged the OEM T-Mobile BE2028 info into, then renamed it from global to the T-mobile name, and installed it (No more T-mobile logo at boot) & booted OK, but still boot loader locked, and requesting token.

      posted in Oneplus Nord N10
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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @rocket2nfinity said ... and the global 10.5.7 from Ruben. The mismatch in version numbers could be why it did not work for the others.

      How do I get the global 10.5.7 from Ruben ?

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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      Tried the process. I used Oneplus OEM T-Mobile 10.5.8 for source info.
      It did load my modified version of the OEM Oneplus version of global file, but FAILED to unlock bootloader.
      phone still tells adb that token is required.
      I changed the 5 descriptors in settings.xml described in the N100 posting.
      Maybe there are others.

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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @rocket2nfinity OK. I will look for those. I copied the detailed posts into 2 files to edit steps into numbered checklists, and merge & highlight important details. Trying to ensure I don't leave out a critical step. hopefully simplify troubleshooting failure. Or, if lucky/successful, repeat the process.

      posted in Oneplus Nord N10
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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @rocket2nfinity said

      @oldbutndy yes. Just adjust for N10

      I downloaded the OxygenOS global 10.5.7 zip.
      This BE2028 shows software version as 11.0.15BE88CB.
      Where do I download this version zip file to extract the relevant info from ?
      Or do you recommend some method of pulling it from phone ?
      Also, use bkerler oppo_decrypt from github to extract the settings.xml ?

      posted in Oneplus Nord N10
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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @rocket2nfinity said

      @oldbutndy Also read the instructions in the N100 thread.

      I have been reading and re-reading those instructions for past while. Not sure I am reading the correct ones.
      One that had some details, by Dugen & Joko is: Oneplus Nord N100 MetroPCS (BE2015) Install Success.
      I this the best one to refer to ?

      posted in Oneplus Nord N10
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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @rocket2nfinity said

      @oldbutndy . The instructions are in the N100 forum. Also posted here in a post I replied to above.

      Thank you. I found the post above and read through, then realized I HAD read it in the last few weeks. I have been reading everything I could find on the subject of converting N10 to UT for weeks, to the point of exhaustion.
      In any case, he still (if I read the proper lengthy message) had to ask 1+ for the token. Which I failed at.

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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @rocket2nfinity said

      @oldbutndy The porter is also looking into this. Will update if we figure out why it did not work like the N100.

      I did not yet try what ChromiumOS-Guy suggested - downloading 2 files & merge relevant bits from EOL official into newer.
      Is your comment saying someone else tried on N10 and it failed (whereas it worked for N100 ?)
      If you know this process, please explain or send relevant link. I will try.

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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @ChromiumOS-Guy said

      @oldbutndy download the EU firmware (EOL) and the real firmware for your version for EOL, then copy the identifers in the scatter xml file from that version to the EU one, then flash through EOL phone will check see T-mobile or whatever it is you have pass the check and flash EU rom with unlockable bootloader worked on my N100

      UPDATE:
      I ordered another (low price) Oneplus Nord N10 via Ebay (stupid me).
      Seller stated 'BE2029', and FACTORY UNLOCKED.
      Seller did state phone would NOT read SIM, but I was OK with that. (see below).
      I thought that I could at least install UT, and use it for everything but cellular (I read that band 17 NOT on BE2029, and T-Mobile (my spare SIM) requires that).
      At least I could get started with UT !
      When it arrived today, it flashes T-mobile on boot screen (uh-ohhh...), then in Settings, shows BE2028 !
      Very depressing.

      Anyway, this inspired me to ask for more details on the process you mentioned, of downloading 2 different install files and merging old valid info into the file we want, so it will install even with locked bootloader.

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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @ChromiumOS-Guy said

      @oldbutndy download the EU firmware (EOL) and the real firmware for your version for EOL, then copy the identifers in the scatter xml file from that version to the EU one, then flash through EOL phone will check see T-mobile or whatever it is you have pass the check and flash EU rom with unlockable bootloader worked on my N100

      Thank You. I read a bit about this option, not not enough for confidence yet. I am still within return window for ebay, and prefer not to mess up the phone in a way I can't restore to what seller sent me. I am new enough that I expect that is possible, but not sure I, personally, won't screw it up. I will read more.

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    • RE: OnePlus just informed me they will NOT unlock bootloader for a device on bought on Ebay.

      @vverve Yes, I am trying to pinpoint specific issue also, so as not to waste time in future: Mine, sellers, and others who read these posts.
      I never activated on T-Mobile directly, but bought a T-Mobile SIM via MVNO (USMobile), & configured on the Pixel 3A (Android 12 stock) first (I think).
      I asked Oneplus if they could provide more detail, but they did not.
      I read about the government customized issue, and also 'black listed' issues. The IMEI checking webpage offered black list checking, but for a $ fee, so I did not do that.
      I also read that Oneplus might refuse bootloader token if someone else had previously requested unlock token. Maybe my phone had that problem.
      The easy unlock model BE2026 seems extremely rare on Ebay, and Facebook marketplace is challenging to search (random results - high quantity to review - mostly not even Oneplus, or Nord, or N10, depending on what search terms you try).
      I really hope UT developers get OP 8 series working, just to increase number of possible devices to try (but a recent AI answered suggested 'late 2026, maybe').
      I even considered a Braxphone 3 listed on ebay ($400 !), since I read they recently got UT basically functional.

      posted in Oneplus Nord N10
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    • RE: Oneplus n10 24.04-2.x follow up

      @vverve Does UT use a 'location' setting like Android, so that it automatically prefers WiFi over cellular, When at home (or other good WiFi place) ?

      posted in Oneplus Nord N10
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