@developerbayman We have heard of this fabled solution, yes. But up to now have not seen a reproducible instance of it in action, unfortunately.
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RE: Connection problem pip3
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RE: SDL support on Focal with Clickable
@developerbayman We are happy for your love. But I fear it might not be mutual for long if you flood the forum with your idea of what would take UT to the next level, if it means making it more like Rhino or Droidian. People can only take so much of, what becomes to them, badgering. Listen, I appreciate your enthusiasm, I truly do. But as a project we have been through this back and forth ad nauseam, if not with you, with others. And really, we have no desire of being another Droidian.
If what you say is true, that opening up and becoming more "linuxy" would bring in a flood of new applications (and I would like to add the qualifier) that work as well on a small screen as on larger screens, do we already see this effect with e.g. Droidian? And even if there were an influx of apps on those platforms, such applications could theoretically be repackaged as clicks and made available for UT too. Someone just needs to want it badly enough to make it happen.
Futhermore, clicks are not the issue that is 'holding the OS back', old libraries are. Many of the latest linux mobile apps require newer libraries than are available on 20.04. Updating UT to 24.04, a work that is already in progress, is a huge undertaking, and that isn't necessarily because of the peculiarities of UT that seem to trip you up the most. It is very much the Linux and Open Source way to repackage Open Source apps to 'exotic' formats, see snaps, and Nix packages. NixOS's packaging choice is not stopping it from being the current darling of the Linux hipster community.
Finally I would like you to consider if it is not possible that the reason this Community is much more pleasant, in your estimation, than others for similar projects, might just be due to the way UT is set up. This OS targets a different type of user than does Droidian for instance, that makes the make up of the community different. If we became another Droidian in the software area, chances are huge, we would also become another Droidian community-wise. Then you would have also lost the one-thing you appreciate most about this project.
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RE: SDL support on Focal with Clickable
@developerbayman Have you taken a look at Rhino Linux? It is Ubuntu based (which would I think be the only thing that would set UT apart from Droidian, if your advice were followed). The only thing is that they only have images for Pine64 devices, besides iso images for desktop and Raspberry Pi's.
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RE: Volla Phone 22 replacing a broken display
@Dave your experience is the expected result. If the new option worked with the old screen there would be no need to keep the old option around.
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RE: Help me
@developerbayman no, it was not dropped. In development and testing scenarios it is still used. It just isn't supported, as in if yiu experience issues after using apt, you would need to return to a clean system and retest before asking for help on your issues. I'm that sense we mean it is not supported.
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RE: I am about to give up and leave
@Keneda said in I am about to give up and leave:
Maybe Volla should focus on that and not on doing things like dual boot (keeping it for themselves... viva open source..), and selling new devices like Quintus, when the older ones are still not 100% fonctionnal.
This is an important point, that is often overlooked. Once Volla as a company commits to shipping UT on their devices, they also have some responsibility to their customers for ensuring a usable experience.
None of the regressions are their fault, of course. But that does not mean they have no means to influence their remediation. For instance, they could sponsor or contract work on the new browser. Although to be fair they do already have some people working on UT, which just goes to show that these things are not trivial.
All of the above notwithstanding, if a Volla customer is disappointed with their device the best place to voice their dissatisfaction is to Volla.
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RE: I am about to give up and leave
Hi @Mario-CH,
@Mario-CH said in I am about to give up and leave:
Unfortunately, I have to raise an objection here.
There is nothing unfortunate about that. . There is ample room for different views and opinions.
@Mario-CH said in I am about to give up and leave:
it is only logical for a user who has no technical or IT knowledge to hope that things will get better when Ubports co-operates with Volla.
That is indeed logical, assuming Volla were the ones writing the drivers in the first place, or at the very least have access to their source code, and sharing the knowledge about those with the devs they contracted to work on UT for them. I am not sure that the devs have access to this information, if it is at all available.
Nevertheless, knowledge of the drivers would only help with getting all the hardware on the phone, like camera, fingerprint reader, touch screen, and such, to work. But these already mostly work if there is a corresponding Halium version. Issues, such as the age of the the browser components, are at a different level of the OS. They are independent of any hardware compatibility.
It seems like communication on these things is not reaching the non-technical users in a way that they can understand, even though the information is out there. At present the best I can do is encourage everyone to follow as much as possible the communication channels I mentioned in ny previous message.
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RE: I am about to give up and leave
@jojumaxx I am truly sorry to hear about your experience and troubles. There is a lot you mention and a lot to unpack. I will not be able to address all your concerns, but I would like to address a few, and start by sharing my own experience and expectations of the OS for context.
I have used UT from the time it was launched by Canonical. However, it has never been my only device. Anbox and then Waydroid were never good solutions for me. So I have always had an Android phone on the side for WhatsApp, banking apps and various apps I need for work.
I follow along fairly closely with the development of the OS, (I even contributed a few tiny patches and wrote a few apps for my own need, and published them in the OpenStore), but I don't follow the marketing very closely. So I am not very current on what all is being claimed as capabilities for the OS.
When the partnership with Volla was announced I did not expect UT to have more working features on a Volla phone than on, say, a Pixel 3a. The advantages of a Volla Phone might be pre-installed UT on more capable hardware and company backed customer service. But what features do or don't work, like VoLTE or an ageing browser, have nothing to do with if the phone came with th OS pre-installed or not.
Yes, UT is targeted for the 'normal' user. But the project isn't just there yet. The goal is to be usable for the average user, but the reality is that there might still be some challenges. Fixing these takes time. To me these challenges are well known. But I understand they might not be very apparent up front for a new user. If this is the case, we need to do better at setting expectations.
Yes, there will be a workable browser in the future. Right now Morph depends on components in the base Ubuntu system. These are outdated in 20.04. Keeping the base system up to date is the reason moving to 24.04 (not 26.04) is a high priority at the moment. This in itself will not make the browser components Morph depends on more up to date, because 24.04 still is not on the latest version on Qt. But it might make it possible to back port some, or all, of the necessary components.
In the meantime Alfred's Mimi browser based on WebKit might see an alpha release soon. Since this browser does not depend on base components in Ubuntu, it will be possible to update it more frequently and independently from the base system.
To your question, where to find all this info as a normal user. There are the newsletters, blog posts, Q&A's, this forum, the various telegram channels and GitLab. The last two might be difficult to parse though. Maybe we need a (bi-)weekly podcast that brings people up to speed with the goings on.
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RE: I am about to give up and leave
@jojumaxx In addition to what @kugiigi has stated already, Waydroid is a completely separate project from Ubuntu Touch. So it's development does not impact resources available for this project.
The reason it seems it is an important part of the project is simply because a lot of users want what it offers. Waydroid is consistently in the top 5 search keywords on this forum. You and I may have no need for it, but there is clearly a need.That's not to say your concerns are not valid, they very much are. And we thank you for voicing them. Unfortunately addressing your concerns is an ongoing process. And feature fixes and development is of the nature that not much can be shown or delivered until it is ready, however long that takes. So progress is difficult to show to the end user.
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RE: (S)FTP-Connections / Daily Drive UT
@GeraltvonNVIDIA Ah, the classic x y problem... lol
The question is: How can I access my Keepass database on my phone?
You are correct in that there are multiple answers. I would suggest trying Syncthing if the SMB option does not pan out.
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RE: (S)FTP-Connections / Daily Drive UT
@ikoz You are correct. I assumed OP was expecting to see their SMB shares on the network tab. I should have mentioned that the network tab only ever was able to autodiscover SMB / CIFS shares. But I no longer have any those on my network, so I have no idea if it works in Focal or not.
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RE: (S)FTP-Connections / Daily Drive UT
Hi @GeraltvonNVIDIA. Welcome to the community
@GeraltvonNVIDIA said in (S)FTP-Connections / Daily Drive UT:
So there is currently no sort of (s)ftp-client for this directly on the phone - besides the command line.
Not that I am aware of, no. There are several synching mechanisms available though. I myself use the Syncthing app. You could set it up to sync one folder on your phone to another folder on your computer. Then anytime you needed to transfer something over either way you would just copy / move it into that folder. At the moment you would have to start the Syncthing app on the phone to trigger a sync. But there might be work underway to change that.
If you happen to have a Nextcloud server there are also a few Nextcloud clients in the OpenStore.And why doesn't the "Network"-Tab in my File-Explorer show any of my devices? Do i have to activate something for this to work?
That tab has not worked since Canonical times. It might have been fixed at some point in some non-merged branch some time ago. But evidenced by my vague wording, this is not something that I am sure of. Someone would need to take a look at this. Might be as simple as missing packages in the rootfs.
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RE: (S)FTP-Connections / Daily Drive UT
sFTP uses SSH as the protocol. SSH is fully supported on UT. There is currently no GUI to facilitate this on the device. But if you are comfortable with the commandline you can connect from your phone to any ssh server out of the box.
SSH'ing into your device requires some setup first.
You would need to enable and start the SSH server, and you would need to get your public key copied over to your phone via some other means first. -
RE: Is there a better browser somewhere?
@kugiigi the usability issues with Firefox currently don't really have anything to do with it running under XWayland/XMir (except the hardware acceleration).
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RE: Why are there so few UB ports on modern Samsung devices?
In addition to what @MrT10001 said, if the newest devices come with the newest version of Android then there might not yet be a corresponding Halium version to base a port on.
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RE: Help me
@onm What is it you were aiming to accomplish? There might be different way to achieve your goal.