Hello everyone,

This year, due to unfortunate events, UBports will not attend FOSDEM in any official capacity.
But I'm sure many of our community members will attend.

So I'm here to suggest to show some love to our beloved @fredldotme in attending his talk on Saturday at 14h55.
More information here

Sadly I personally cannot be there with you all this year, but I intend on being there next year.
Enjoy the event.

My best wishes to Alfred for another great talk.

Hi @Eric-H

Here is an explanation:

Hi @iHgiBigyM

I had this issue last week, but this should be fixed by now.
Did you keep the "partitioning" box ticked?

Also are you trying to install Noble or Focal?

I had this issue trying to install Noble, Focal should be fine.
Also you can check the logs as explained in the error message to better understand what happens.

Hi @Scofus

Preinstalled apps like the gallery should not be uninstalled.

To fix this, you have to reinstall the whole system from a computer using the UBports installer.
As @MrT10001 you'd want to NOT select the "wipe data" box if you want to keep your data.

Alternatively, you can also switch to another channel (RC for example) and then switch back to the current one (Stable I presume).

Hi @linux_dude

The partition size is fixed on Ubuntu touch.
There is no debate about it.

I use to say that if you cannot work around those limitations, you shouldn't do it at risk of damaging your system.
Ubuntu Touch has an immutable filesystem for consistency across devices, stability, and ease of use and maintainability.

If you want to install desktop apps on your device, the beta version of what is supported are snaps.
You can use snapz0r from the open-store to enable it on your device.
You can also use Libertine like @arubislander already mentioned.
Or you can find another way (that I won't explain because of previous § :winking_face: )

Know one thing though, it's on purpose and people working on the system itself know better than me.
If you know better, feel free to join the effort and contribute to our current issues to demonstrate your skills.
It's the best way to be heard.

Hi @lxsed

The previous comments seemed relevant to me.
Alfred just shared this project of his linking a lib.
I understand your situation is a bit different, but you might find pointers

https://github.com/fredldotme/webhunt/blob/main/clickable.yaml#L5

Or you can share you sources so we can better understand your issue.
Because to me the snippets you shared don't make sense and I need more info to understand what is the issue you're facing.

Hi @Salah

The installer is certainly not the problem as other said.
You're jumping to conclusion on something you don't fully understand (no offense, I don't fully understand it as well)

I had a similar issue and I worked around it by switching my phone to a different USB port.
To be clear, I used a laptop with only two USB-C ports. On one I have a USB hub and when the phone was not detected, I unplugged it and plugged it into another port of the hub.
If I tried to only switch between two of them it didn't work it seemed like once used I couldn't make the same port work again.
When I unplug the hub and plug it in again it seems to reset.
The issue is probably on my OS, but I know how to work around it.

Maybe you share my issue, maybe not, but it has to do with your setup and not with the software.

Best of luck.

@Salah It could be a hardware issue.

Welcome @Il-Dorato

I'm happy to see fresh blood joining our community.

Season's greetings.

Hi @vince-vs

The website has been recently updated.
If you go to https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/promoted/
You'll find the promoted and recommended devices for the regular users who desire a fully featured device.

Spoiler ; this page will soon be updated with a new device that has a successful campaign...

The end user is always a focus for the system development.
The porting aspect is a more complex topic.
Porters work on devices they have and wish to be ported.
The foundation tries to make partnerships with manufacturers like Pine64, Volla and more to bring Ubuntu Touch to a larger user base and people who cannot afford or find our current promoted devices.

You have to understand that the porting aspect is a difficult problem to solve.
Maintaining the OS is also difficult but because it's a constant effort to keep up with the world. We don't have enough resources to work on new features.

Hi @domubpkm
This post is more intended for developers to help them test things out and tackle the remaining issues.
Please refrain from asking about daily driving it. The goal is to gather contributions not slow devs progresses with requests.

Hi @newguy

I don't have a clear answer, but maybe a pointer.
The screen is dimmed before turned off after timeout.
I guess when the phone is woke up by pushing the power button the brightness reset to whatever is input in the settings.

Or it could have nothing to do with the above given that you don't seem to interact with the phone...

I still would investigate where the system setting for brightness is stored and have a look at the logs.

Hi @Salah

That's not the goal of this thread.
And you already know that the forum is not an issue tracker.

The focus is currently on rebasing Ubuntu Touch on Noble.
When that's done, developers can then focus on new features but it won't happen in weeks, so be patient.
You already created the feature requests or bug reports, so job done, now it's wait and see or even better if one can: doing it...

Season's greetings :wrapped_gift:

Hi @manoiese

You didn't sound rude.
Just your assumptions about Ubuntu Touch users is not correct.
There are other existing distros of Linux on mobile, what make Ubuntu Touch unique is the fact that we can daily drive our devices without a need to carry another phone around. That's the kind of users we're serving.

Your use cases are not the one intended by the project.
No biggie, you can either find another project that suits your needs better or try to work around what is.

But your suggestions are misplaced.
You want to change what Ubuntu Touch is instead of improving towards the goal that is set.

If you feel android is for the users (and not against as I feel) it's fine.
But I find Ubuntu Touch more user friendly and respectful.

@manoiese said in Libertine on Ubuntu Touch: Poor Performance and Issues with "Read-Only" File System:

after I saw Ubuntu Touch I discovered that I actually need Debian/Ubuntu for PC installed on the cell phone.

What you're describing looks like Droidian.

@manoiese said in Libertine on Ubuntu Touch: Poor Performance and Issues with "Read-Only" File System:

The problem is trying to create a system for common users, for that you already have Android

When I read this, I understand something like:
Making a Linux distro for the common folks is difficult, for that you already have Windows...
This is in no way relevant. We know we have huge challenges ahead and obstacles to overcome.

But our goal is still to have a perfectly good, easy to use, privacy oriented, open sourced, well polished, stable, feature complete operating system for smartphones.

Hi @manoiese

I do appreciate your intentions here.

But you're wrong.

1. Libertine is getting more or less obsolete. Nowadays as @ikoz pointed out, we have snaps getting supported.
   Still in early stage, but the goal of Alfred, who did all the heavy lifting, is for him to be able to develop for Ubuntu Touch from an Ubuntu Touch device.
2. We use an immutable file system for good reasons. The fact that you don't know that means that you didn't read much on this forum or about Ubuntu Touch. But it might also be because you had access to outdated information.
3. For the aforementioned reasons we probably won't follow your suggestions. But your take on the documentation is true.
   We try to make those information more easily accessible but somehow people seem to get old news from I don't know where.
   We have FAQ on the forum and on Telegram as well as weekly Q&A where these questions are answered again and again.
   The porting documentation is being updated and the overall documentation seems pretty clear to me.
   But people keep coming here expecting Ubuntu Touch to be something that it has never been and will never be.
   That's a mystery to me, but I would love to understand where it comes from so we can fix it.
4. My conclusion is that as a developer, you should take a look at the documentation to understand what is Ubuntu Touch, how to develop for it on the application level or at system level.
   My advice, before wanting to teach seasoned developers (which I am not) here a lesson, try learning about the project and asking questions. Only then you can become a master and start teaching the newcomers.

Ubuntu Touch is pretty complex and rushing in won't get you anywhere.
It takes time to get familiar with the project and to be able to contribute.
So take it easy and proceed step-by-step.
Your enthusiasm is appreciated and I hope you will be become a valued contributor if you take the time to learn and contribute.

Kindly yours

@RandomUser said in How to update Xenial to Focal?:

but of course the installation is interupted.

Hi,
In my experience it is not the case.
I force the fastboot mode by pressing the vol+power buttons and just continue the install.
I'm not sure whether I unplug the device or not, but I didn't have issue continuing or nothing that a retry couldn't fix.

But I have also to clarify that I don't own the same device and I know devices with A/B boot might have some additional complexity (not sure if that's the case of the OP6).

Hi @Charly

Sorry but without more information your post seems off topic.
The question is about ChatGPT, OP didn't ask for an alternative.

I'm making the comment because it was not clear to me what you were talking about.

When someone's posting, please consider people who doesn't share the same knowledge one have.
It took me a lot of time to find out what could be "KI" then I considered "offline KI" and it's finally when I added "Huggingface" that I found something that could be relevant but still, no idea about what the "KI" part is?

Giving context is key if one wants good communication.

Hi @OOKAMI

This kind of tinkering is not really supported on Ubuntu Touch.
But if you have enough knowledge to know what you're doing (it seems like it), I would advise to have a look at the porting documentation.

Because, as you well realized, Ubuntu Touch is not a regular Debian based distribution on a PC.
We use an immutable image and not every tool that you're used to are available.
Supporting hardware acceleration is something made possible during the making of a port, so if you're interested, I suggest you familiarize yourself with the porting documentation which will give you pointers and ways to get some help.

Here is the main gate to knowledge :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction/Intro.html

Hi @mmmmhLasagna (now I'm hungry)

I don't know anything about Windows, but maybe something to do with your client.
Can you try with a Linux installed on a Live USB drive for example?

Because something tells me that these error codes only mean something with regard to the client you're using...

Hi @domubpkm

I just want to give everyone an advice of caution instead of being overly enthusiastic and risking a backfire.

Hope won't get you anywhere :winking_face: it's a matter of choices and trust.
But yes, unconfined apps are manually reviewed, but it doesn't guaranty anything, it prevents obvious malicious apps or unnecessary rights. Still it's a manual process done AFAIK by a single person with normal human flaws.

As for a proper implementation, it can be done in the system with a companion app dedicated to the configuration UI or even better in the phone app itself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for the work done.
But the disclaimer is necessary.
And integration in the system would be a better solution for the community and sustainability of this feature.

Final statement on this:
Security is a matter of trust.
Trust in your skills to review the code yourself.
Trust in the app developer.
Trust of the validation process (or the validator).
At the end the final user is the one to make the decision, but we owe them an honest depiction of what one can expect and the associated risks.