@nbdynl You’re asking exactly the right hard question here — and it’s also the main reason this topic should get debated. App-level messaging (what we have today) What you described is correct: FluffyChat → Matrix account needed Element → Matrix account needed Jitsi Meet → server/session needed Delta Chat / Signal / Session / Threema → all rely on: networks identity systems other users installing the same app This is the ecosystem layer And your conclusion is correct: If your contacts don’t use it, the app is functionally irrelevant That is a network effect problem, not a technical one.

Note that in 24.04-1.2 dev, the problem is exactly the same on volla 22. And my perception is that the problem is magnified

@gpatel-fr said: if this covers a hope to get European dough to fund further development, it's a non starter for the following reasons: UT dev relies on Telegram a platform controlled by a non European state that has not good relations to the EU The claim that Telegram is controlled by any particular country is completely unsubstantiated. This rumor is widely used to push users toward platforms that are definitely controlled by the U.S.: Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, Signal, and products from Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc. With the EU’s full complicity for decades. the 'open store' is subject to US law any EU burocrat reviewing an application will dismiss it immediately. This is indeed a problem for several reasons: U.S. extraterritorial laws apply, there could be infiltration or interference by various intelligence agencies, several countries around the world have difficulty accessing the OpenStore due to U.S. sanctions However, it is unlikely that this would be a problem for the EU, given its complacency toward U.S. hegemonic policy

@Moem true but i m good for now will reflash someday

@gpatel-fr said: Another solution if you need 24.04-2 but not the last version could be to try to install a previous version less bulky. Unfortunately I have no quick idea to do that either. I just wanted to try to investigate the problem of OSK with XWayland apps on 24.04-2.x, and check whether the problem is still present. Well it does not matter, I will try again later.

@PerlMax it's on Telegram according to https://open-store.io/submit

@CiberSheep Great respect towards you owning your hiccup. To me, the guy just seemed enthusiastic. You see the same thing with a few others on this forum... a bit of cross-posting here and there, sometimes even on topics that aren't directly related. But he's actually building things, and we're in a position where people who have the ability time and willingness to build something are in short supply. but mistakes are made, and will be made again. We are all Human after all wel except for a few Robots that are working to build UBports 24/7 (meant to say this as with great respect )

@Lazarus2026 Mine is still on iodéOS. Brax Tech’s shift in attitude from “we’ll take care of everything” to “this is what we can do; let the community continue the port” is a bit disappointing. It’s still a great phone running AOSP, but as long as the port doesn’t support calls, I’ll stick with AOSP. Wait (as I don't have skills to help the port at the moment) and see...

@pparent Agreed, and i will follow your attempt closely

@kugiigi clickable works fine on UT now. Install clickable snap and docker snap connect some.slots and you're off to the races.

@linl Yeah, I did the same thing. Started with the chat support and they mentioned they could help me but would need get back to me via email. Did some emails back and forth and they asked for all the same stuff (even though I provided it in the initial chat) and after a week of back and forth they came out and said they couldn't help me. =(

@dadrickpistachio That is awesome! Great job! If it is on Android 9, it sounds like it could be pushed through the main pipeline versus having to do a new build, right?

@kristatos Thanks for answering. The package is called bzip but the command is bunzip2.

@MrT10001 curiosity killing my cat, did you attempt the method you discovered on 24.04? I'm sure you did, I'm just asking because I kind of wanted to try the ota update using your method to get it to boot. The only reason I haven't is because I dont really want to rescue again and run the installer again and download all the apps again if it fails.

@mihael It was my pleasure!

@Moem thank you so much, it is very new, I created it, I wish you best of luck as well